Dot Dab

[charlie1]

Ok

Having only been tiling for 18 months now and being taught that you must get 100% coverage all of the time or the whole lot could fall back off the wall I have been sensing for quite a while that this is not the case espacially with the more experienced guy's.

I can understand it has to be the case on floos but not on walls.

I think to get an astatically perfect job, totally flat then dot dab is your best option however this would need to be done within the peramiters of performance of the materials you are using bearing in mind that adhesive manufacturers will allway's go a bit OTT on what coverage should be maintained.

I currently practice the 100% method of fixing however i wonder am I wsting my time getting this coverage when guys who have been at it for years dont bother.

I am so sorry I am having these dirty thoughts I just cant stop thinking about it.

Who feels the same:yes:

 

[brian c]

serate the wall with adhesive first then serate the tile with adhesive and this will reduce the gap ,if not wanting to do this or the dip in the wall is just to great then get the customer to have the walls plastered or d and d with plasterboard...you cheeky boy,trying to catch us out?lol

 

[GazTech]

A call came into technical today and was answered by my tech colleague. It was a solicitor who was working on behalf of a fixer who was being taken to court for a spot fix failure. The answer was a catagorical NO sorry. He phoned tech, hoping to find a glimmer of a chance of anything in defence of his client, he was told that there was nothing at all in it's favour as is not a recognised fixing method, not only is it not endorsed by BAL the market leader, but also the solicitor was told to speak to The Tile Assisiation, where he would be told exactly the same. No one within the industry will defend this method......Gaz

 

[brian c]

spoken like a true pro that you are Gaz but you know it goes on m8:yes:

I dont spot fix myself but i have seen supposedly experienced guys doing it with the small trowel for plastering.not adviseable but as we have found out from a previous thread some people dont think there is anything wrong with it....not safe and will take forever to dry and bond.if at all

 

[GazTech]

It is common with people who have had no training at all....

 

[Grace'sDad]

Interesting this. I went to quote for finishing off a large bathroom job a couple of weeks ago. It was £5,500.00 of premium stone travertine 600x400. The tiler had boarded the stud walls with 10mm hardibacker (big tick there) and then proceeded to fix these lovely, heavy tiles with the dot n dab method. I think he did this for a number of reasons: the walls were not very straight, and the customer wanted brick-bond. Also he would have saved a packet on the BAL white SPF. Not kidding, I could get my fingers behind some of the tiles!

Now, of course a real professional should explain to the customer why the walls would need straightening before boarding, but in reality a tiler who needs/wants that kind of lucrative work, is likely to tell a customer what they want to hear and is also likely to do whatever he "feels" he can get away with.

What's the answer? Regulation? One thing I think would help us all would be some sort of simplified fixing guide which we could leave with customers - helping to distinguish between professional methods and techniques and those used by tilers wearing spurs! Maybe someone like BAL could produce this, Gaz???

 

[charlie1]

Ok point taken Gaz, What is it to be then 2 hail marys and an our father then?

Se what happens when Dave goes on holiday.

 

[GazTech]

One thing I think would help us all would be some sort of simplified fixing guide which we could leave with customers - helping to distinguish between professional methods and techniques and those used by tilers wearing spurs! Maybe someone like BAL could produce this, Gaz???

Good thinking Mark. I could certainly speak to tech to see if some sort of literature can be written up and available to download for the pro fixers to print off for themselves.....who would agree that it would be useful to have to give this to their customers, any tilers then quoting the same job as you can then be quizzed by the customer as to which method they are going to use !!!! Not ony would this educate the customer but also give Wyatt Erp the the rope with which to hang himself....Gaz :hang:

 

[charlie1]

Yes good idea, i would use it when Quoting

 

[Grace'sDad]

Good thinking Mark. I could certainly speak to tech to see if some sort of literature can be written up and available to download for the pro fixers to print off for themselves.....who would agree that it would be useful to have to give this to their customers, any tilers then quoting the same job as you can then be quizzed by the customer as to which method they are going to use !!!! Not ony would this educate the customer but also give Wyatt Erp the the rope with which to hang himself....Gaz :hang:

Yup, I've been thinking this one through for a while now. Keep it BAL branded (which suits me anyway!) and it will keep the marketing guys happy at BAL. If you could get something made for download, it would REALLY help me and a lot of guys who are struggling against the cowboys - and I fear it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[graham31]

What's the answer? Regulation? One thing I think would help us all would be some sort of simplified fixing guide which we could leave with customers - helping to distinguish between professional methods and techniques and those used by tilers wearing spurs! Maybe someone like BAL could produce this, Gaz???

This excellent idea may stop people coming in and undercutting massively if they get quizzed by the client and know they have to do the job right which takes time. :furious3:

 

[pjtiler]

A call came into technical today and was answered by my tech colleague. It was a solicitor who was working on behalf of a fixer who was being taken to court for a spot fix failure. The answer was a catagorical NO sorry. He phoned tech, hoping to find a glimmer of a chance of anything in defence of his client, he was told that there was nothing at all in it's favour as is not a recognised fixing method, not only is it not endorsed by BAL the market leader, but also the solicitor was told to speak to The Tile Assisiation, where he would be told exactly the same. No one within the industry will defend this method......Gaz

theres a lot i could say about that gaz
but i cant be arsed sufic to say your tech dep changes there spec,s from year to year

 

[MICK the Tiler]

Ok

Having only been tiling for 18 months now and being taught that you must get 100% coverage all of the time or the whole lot could fall back off the wall I have been sensing for quite a while that this is not the case espacially with the more experienced guy's.

I can understand it has to be the case on floos but not on walls.

I think to get an astatically perfect job, totally flat then dot dab is your best option however this would need to be done within the peramiters of performance of the materials you are using bearing in mind that adhesive manufacturers will allway's go a bit OTT on what coverage should be maintained.
I am so sorry I am having these dirty thoughts I just cant stop thinking about it.

Who feels the same:yes:

NOT AGAIN!!! ARRRRRRRRR!!! :mad2:

Rake your walls and rake the tile, go up a notch in your trowell. Do whatever it takes to get the buggers on the wall, But Don't D&D as Gaz has said no one will touch you. You are on your own if you choose this method. Practice goods sound skills and DON"T get into bad habits as they are hard to break.

And as far as regulation goes good idea but how does one police it. You will always have cowboys who D&D and you will have to compete with them till hell freezes over. Cowboys come and Cowboys go, but if you would like to be a tiler for longer than 5 minutes use tried and true methods of tile fixing and work will find YOU.

 

[woodie]

never cot and dab at least 90% coverage on walls and if your floor's uneven then spread on the tile as well as the floor

 

[Olz]

Uhh Ohh, did someone mention D&D