Fixing to Calcium Sulphate Screed & drying times

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does my "o" level chemistry serve me correctly in saying calcium sulphate is a type of gypsum?,just curious as to why you opted for this type of unconventional substrate?


Gypsum = CaSO4.2H20 - Dihydrous calcium sulphate - this is the resultant molecule in all calcium sulphate based products including plaster, plasterboard and floor screed basedon Hemi Hydrate and Anhydrite

CaS04 = Anhydrous calcium sulphate = anhydrite - can be harvested as a waste product of acid manufacture as flouro anhydrite (this is what Lafarge Gyvlon is made from) or as a a waste product from coal fired power stations - this goes though a process called calcination which converts what starts of s a composite product to a single molecular arrangement.

2CaSO4.H20 = Hemihydrate

Harvested mainly as waste from coal fired power stations but also occasionally mined gypsum. It goes through a process called autoclavin - high pressure with moisture which converts the coposite material to a single molecular structure depending on the temperatures, pressures and source materials forms one of 2 types.

- Beta hemi hydrate which chrystallises to form big gypsum chrystalls - used for making bagged plasters and plasterboard products - a relativley soft form of Gypsum

Alpha Hemihydrate - used for floor screed and calcium sulphate block manufacture - also a major constituent in plaster of paris - forms small tightly packed gypsum chrystals which makes it relatively hard

Something like 20% of the UK screed market, approx 50% of the french screed market, approx 65% of the German and dutch markets are of this type.
 
Ajax - thanks for your detailed reply - yes, a big read but one that might be of a big help. Off to do some printing and discussion with tiler. Sorry about mixing up the hydrometer and hair hygrometer - there's phone conversations for you 🙂

Will continue looking into it - Really appreciate your time - Cat
 
Hi Dave - yes PVA - I've got a quote from the flow screed company saying neat PVA should be used as a barrier. There was no mention to me that special consideration need to be given to calcium sulphate by the people who laid it - not going to name names. When speaking on the phone afterwards they said - "PVA - craft glue - like kids use". My tiler is great but has not experienced calcium sulphate - the screed company say that anyone should have recognised the different coloration and acted accordingly. Saying that - they haven't responded to my help requests. After spending 2 years on my self build - just need to become an expert in the science of levelling and tiling floors and then hopefully one day I'll just have to walk on the damn thing!

Cheers,

Cat 🙂

Who said PVA !!!! - sounds like retraining required
 
Ok..Pva will not stop any reaction between the 2 coverings....

once laitence has been removed and moisture levels are down to required level then acrylic primer is applied then when dry it is applied again in the opposite direction to the first coat...

The screed is gypsum based and if you have applied a cement based leveler with out correct prep then you have trouble on your hands..imo.

Likely to be skin free as it is Lafarge Gyvlon so does may need laitance removal. You right though if it is "traditional" gyvlon laitance needs to be removed.
 
Ajax - after reading your post with your obvious, indepth knowledge of the science behind the substrate - yes, PVA does sound a bit Heath Robinson. Have to move on and not worry about this advice or I won't sleep at night!

Cat
 
Hi Dave - I have read the floor finishes advice from some of these companies found on google - and it does mention polyurethane or acrylic primer. I can't get any joy from my screed company and my tiler is really trying to find out as much as he can from lafarge etc but as self builders we need to really be happy with our methods ourselves also.

Thanks for your help. Cat.
 
loos like these peeps did>>>> lafarge gyvron calcium sulphate company.

Negative good buddy - I know for a fact that this particular organisation would not recomend PVA. (assuming spelling error on Gyvron of course otherwise I in trouble)

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I am guessing ready mix supplier - would be interested in knowing whom.
 
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Negative good buddy - I know for a fact that this particular organisation would not recomend PVA. (assuming spelling error on Gyvron of course otherwise I in trouble)

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I am guessing ready mix supplier - would be interested in knowing whom.


Thats what i thought...thats who you work for isn't it..?..thats why i hoped you seen this and corrected who advised pva ffs...


The question now is getting this floor prepped and tiled correctly...

Cat..get your tiler to join our forum and then the info can be given DIRECT to him so he can absorb it at first hand...:thumbsup:
 
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