Gap on non square wall

[Willmort]

Hi Just went back to check on tiler - who wasn't there and there was a gap running up the corners - the tiles fit snuggly at the bottom but as it goes up the wall the gap gets bigger is there a way round this as thin slithers of the glass tile is gong to be very tricky surely?

 

[Olz]

That looks like a big gap, how big is it?


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[Perry]

Has he done a runner doesn't look like a tiler has done it

 

[Willmort]

i'd say gap is 10mm at the top, should i ring him and tell him to stop before he mucks it up more?

 

[Brinkley]

we need to see more photos i must say it looks a bit messy what adhesive is he using on the glass not ready mix i hope

 

[Willmort]

not sure what adhesive - Bal something

 

[AliGage]

I can't really understand from the pictures what is being tiled. Is it a shower area/cubicle? Are they sheet mosaic?

Looking at the adhesive i would have a stab at saying he's usinf BAL white star on glass tiles. tut tut!!

Has he started from a full sheet on the left hand side of the second picture? Looks like very poor prep is the issue here. I.E your tiler is not a professional tiler!

 

[Divad]

May I respectfully ask Willmort to talk to your tiler about how he intends to prettify the corners rather than coming on here and inciting a character assassination by the frenzy of know-of-it-alls who can not only deem this workman to be unprofessional, but also seem to magically know what tile adhesive he has used with their X-ray vision.

And for the members shooting off about this tiler, perhaps you should reserve judgement until you have walked a mile in the other man's shoes. The OP already said, it's an out of square wall. With mosaics.

 

[Deleted member 9966]

May I respectfully ask Willmort to talk to your tiler about how he intends to prettify the corners rather than coming on here and inciting a character assassination by the frenzy of know-of-it-alls who can not only deem this workman to be unprofessional, but also seem to magically know what tile adhesive he has used with their X-ray vision.

And for the members shooting off about this tiler, perhaps you should reserve judgement until you have walked a mile in the other man's shoes. The OP already said, it's an out of square wall. With mosaics.

Divad, whilst many people will see your point of view, the point of this forum is to allow free speech about all matters tiling-related. If you disagree with a person's response, and are so incensed by it, may I suggest that you no longer continue to view the post. Dave has already warned you that continuing to TROLL the forum and cause increased Moderation of the forum will lead to your account being removed. Please refrain from reporting posts that upset you, and contact Dave http://www.tilersforums.com/members/1915.html or Dan View Profile: Dan - tilersforums.com | Tiling Forum | Wall and Floor Tiling Forum | Tile Forums | Tilers Forum via private message.

 

[Willmort]

sorry, most images need rotating 90deg so the spacers are horizontal
but yep its shower cubicle glass mosaic on sheets each individual one is 5cm

i'll check the adhesive when i see him later....he seemed professional enough......sigh, shame check a trade seems totally unreliable

 

[Willmort]

Tiler has called back and he says not to worry once its grouted and siliconed I will not notice, my main question was whether as i suspected he blamed it on the walls not being true, and whether this is a valid excuse and something to accept or not?

 

[AliGage]

May I respectfully ask Willmort to talk to your tiler about how he intends to prettify the corners rather than coming on here and inciting a character assassination by the frenzy of know-of-it-alls who can not only deem this workman to be unprofessional, but also seem to magically know what tile adhesive he has used with their X-ray vision.

And for the members shooting off about this tiler, perhaps you should reserve judgement until you have walked a mile in the other man's shoes. The OP already said, it's an out of square wall. With mosaics.

And so speaks the voice of experience?? I would almost be willing to wager that (and this is on the basis of the customer stating it's a BAL product) that the adhesive used in that picture is tubbed adhesive - BAL White star. Yes i can tell from looking in the picture. No i have not got x-ray eyes.

I'm interested to know what you mean by "walking a mile" in his shoes. I've been in the trade for 12 years. Many others on here a heck of a lot longer. I have NEVER found a square, straight, perfect wall to tile yet. I don't believe one exsists, and it's on that very basis that i would state the "tiler" is not a "professional". A large part of the finished article relies on the preperation of the surface you are tiling. To leave a 10mm gap in the corner is in all honesty a "schoolboy" error. If your prep is done correctly and you've worked out your walls correctly there shouldn't be a cut in the corner less than half a tile. If it is you shift your start live (vertical) half a tile to mean the cuts would be between half a tile and full tile.

As for "shooting off" as you put it. I have put a lot of man hours into ensuring i do a professional job, fitted, preped, installed correctly. It's cowboys that don't really have a clue, don't know what they are doing, or don't have the pride in themselves to do a proper job tyhat are the ones that undercut the professionals and the people that make LIVING from doing these trades.

may i ask what you do?

 

[AliGage]

Tiler has called back and he says not to worry once its grouted and siliconed I will not notice, my main question was whether as i suspected he blamed it on the walls not being true, and whether this is a valid excuse and something to accept or not?

What size is the enclosure? Is it a 1200 tray? It looks to me like the mosaic sheet are 300mm x 300mm. If he started from one side rather than the centre of the wall, and the walls went out as he went up then that would cause this problem. However, and this is the point i'm trying to make to Divad. 1200/300 leaves a full number. No margin for error, or in this case untrue walls. If the tiler had bridge the centre line with one of the mosaic squares this would of given an inch cut into the corners (25mm) this could of increased as the walls moved out going up. Rather than having slithers of varying sizes on the way up.

If the walls were that bad why attempt to tile mosaics of all things. He should of planned and sorted the walls first IMO.

The only think i will say is that if he's intending on grouting that gap and siliconing over the top then yes you would notice, and personally i would find this unacceptable.

 

[Willmort]

shower tray is 1000, sheets are 300x300 and yep it looks like white star was used

The walls are newly done and flat - but width differs by ~10mm from top to bottom

 

[Divad]

And so speaks the voice of experience?? I would almost be willing to wager that (and this is on the basis of the customer stating it's a BAL product) that the adhesive used in that picture is tubbed adhesive - BAL White star. Yes i can tell from looking in the picture. No i have not got x-ray eyes. I'm interested to know what you mean by "walking a mile" in his shoes. I've been in the trade for 12 years. Many others on here a heck of a lot longer. I have NEVER found a square, straight, perfect wall to tile yet. I don't believe one exsists, and it's on that very basis that i would state the "tiler" is not a "professional". A large part of the finished article relies on the preperation of the surface you are tiling. To leave a 10mm gap in the corner is in all honesty a "schoolboy" error. If your prep is done correctly and you've worked out your walls correctly there shouldn't be a cut in the corner less than half a tile. If it is you shift your start live (vertical) half a tile to mean the cuts would be between half a tile and full tile.As for "shooting off" as you put it. I have put a lot of man hours into ensuring i do a professional job, fitted, preped, installed correctly. It's cowboys that don't really have a clue, don't know what they are doing, or don't have the pride in themselves to do a proper job tyhat are the ones that undercut the professionals and the people that make LIVING from doing these trades. may i ask what you do?

For someone who seems so sure of himself YOU are the one making the schoolboy error. I am a tiler. I have been tiling for 35 years. Started possibly before you were even born. And any professional tiler would know that there is no such thing as a perfect job. EVERY job has its challenges. And until you know all the facts, and why a tiler did what he did, YOU should not be so quick to pass judgement. Or you never know, one day, when you're half way through a job, your customer might post up your unfinished work and I will poke holes all over it and assassinate your character, just as you are doing to this tiler.