Gordon Brown is Stepping Down - FINALLY!

[Dan]

BBC News - Gordon Brown 'stepping down as Labour leader'

What good news for a Monday!

I hope Cameron and Clegg sort something out to be honest. I don't think it would be good for Labour to have a coalition with LibDems as it would mean Labour stays in, sort of. And we've seen what Labour can do and have all paid the price for that.

 

[mikethetile]

Ive seen what labour can do

thats why they got my vote

 

[Dan]

Hmmmm.

Save the banks (but not really) and cost us all billions. Let immigration get to the point where they don't even know the statistics any more. Cause the recession then try to wriggle out of it saying they've fixed it, when they haven't. Keep a leader in power when he wasn't voted in. 13 years of manufacturers leaving the country. Calling the public who have concerns racist.

They can do a lot but I can't think of a good thing they've done to be honest mate.

Nice well spent vote mate. Not.

I never had an opinion on voting until this year. And it's due to me reading so many stories about families being skint!

2 years ago I could help most of them by advising of a good course and good working practise to get back on their feet.

I get emailed now, and I have nothing to help them with. Labour caused that, totally directly. They should accept they've done many things wrong and just stand down and give somebody else a chance.

Don't really agree with tories or lib dems but I think labour just need to get out.

 

[diamondtiling]

Religion, politics and looking at your mates wife, all lead to falling out.

:8::8:

 

[mikethetile]

how did brown cause the recession

the tories deregulated the banks under major

the american bank Goldman sachs was selling financial packages with sub prime loans hidden in them, they are right now being investigated by the us government for misdescribing financial packages and causing the recession

the tories got us into the eu without referendum and failed to limit immigration, the problem in this country is eu immigration and theres nothing anyone can do other than leave the eu

the tories are unable to cap eu immigration anymore than labour could

 

[Aston]

only one post on this from me, dont want to ever get political on here again lol

this could actually be the best thing possible thing to happen???
obviously people where not swayed enough to give the tories an overall majority and considering the state of affairs, if they couldnt win that election outright, they never will......so imo people still a bit confused arnt they??
gordon goes, great, a new government with the a fusion of what new labour represent, with a voice from the other parties giving it a new edge that will appeal to the minorities...

dont forget, theirs alot of sense in what the tories said, this debt does need reducing now but david cameron was no real leader in the same way as gordon brown did not inspire confidence.....

a new reform could be the most exciting thing in politics in my lifetime, a chance where the people actually get heard....as i said last time. i am not a labour die hard (i leave that side of my character to supporting liverpool fc :lol but i do believe we needed to creep out of this mess and i do believe in labours stance on treating cancer waithing lists in hospitals because thats close to my heart and to many on here too.

i love making money, i love giving back where i can and i always , always remember where i came from and the people who helped me along the way so i am hoping that out of all this mess, we on this forum get a little bit of whatwe want a rightly deserve.....whoever that may be

in the words of gene hunt......end of!!

 

[Dan]

Didn't mean to sound so opinionated then, apologies for that. But it's just annoying me now. The day after the election we should be sorting out screwed-up policies, not still arguing over who get's to live at No10.

Something's not right.

How can they stick fuel prices up so much and still need to up general taxes and we still end up in more debt?! They need to run the country like a business and cut their losses and do more of what's working.

And I think stuff that isn't working is the immigration, importing goods, saving banks etc.

Nuff said from me, it's monday.

 

[Dan]

how did brown cause the recession

the tories deregulated the banks under major

the american bank Goldman sachs was selling financial packages with sub prime loans hidden in them, they are right now being investigated by the us government for misdescribing financial packages and causing the recession

the tories got us into the eu without referendum and failed to limit immigration, the problem in this country is eu immigration and theres nothing anyone can do other than leave the eu

the tories are unable to cap eu immigration anymore than labour could

If brown said no to saving the banks and let the big boys who caused the problem foot their own bill (they still got their bonuses and a very good wage for doing what they did) I think labour could have got in, and even got my vote.

It's corrupt and a pure example of the top 5% wealthiest people owning 95% of the country's money. Lobbying, tax havens, all corrupt things need to be discussed in parliment as it's those that have the most money and those that should be paying the most tax for screwing the poor the most.

I think one wrong decision, saving the banks, has cost people their homes. And i get an email from people on a weekly basis asking if they should spend their redundancy money, up to 10k, on an electrical course. And to be honest I don't know what to say to them. I feel they could spend it even with one of several companies that have gone bust. the plumbing and sparky forum has plenty of discussions on people not getting their courses or their 'last chance to live' redundancy money back.

Brown runs the country, any wrong that comes from it should be on his shoulders directly. I can't imagine obama saving any bank without getting that money back very quickly. Which he's done. Though us copying him isn't wise and we did, and we will be paying ours back for generations.

 

[mikethetile]

I agree Dan

I feel that the banks had their own way and abused it, at one time banks were strictly regulated to protect investors but they complained to the government that they had their hands tied and couldnt compete properly on the world market. the goverment deregulated them and they made good money on the stock markets but they got ****y and didnt check the loans they were buying in from the us. goldman sachs americas most respected bank realised they would lose billions if their dodgy lending was discovered so they hid sub prime loans that were worthless in some very attractive looking packages

the result of this was european banks getting caught and the resulting recession

the banks should be made to pay or fall as they made the mistakes

problem is if you allow a bank to collapse it affects the investments of the other banks and they also collapse due to the foreign markets selling sterling and withdrawing their investment

sterling would collapse and we would be in the same situation as greece

 

[CDS]

I've never liked Brown so would be pleased to see him go, however my point is this:

If Brown stays and Labour / Lib Dems end up doing a deal then the Country will be run by the 2 parties that came 2nd and 3rd in the Election... to me that isn't right.

If Brown goes and Labour / Lib Dems do a deal the Country will be run by the parties that came in 2nd and 3rd with the added twist of a Prime Minister that no ones voted for....not only is that not right its stark raving bonkers!!!

If Conservatives do a deal with Lib Dems at least it will stop Cameron bleating for a few days.... can he do the job?? I have no idea, but I don't see how he can do any worse than the current mob, and in my eyes he has at least earnt the right to have a go!

 

[Dan]

I agree Dan

I feel that the banks had their own way and abused it, at one time banks were strictly regulated to protect investors but they complained to the government that they had their hands tied and couldnt compete properly on the world market. the goverment deregulated them and they made good money on the stock markets but they got ****y and didnt check the loans they were buying in from the us. goldman sachs americas most respected bank realised they would lose billions if their dodgy lending was discovered so they hid sub prime loans that were worthless in some very attractive looking packages

the result of this was european banks getting caught and the resulting recession

the banks should be made to pay or fall as they made the mistakes

problem is if you allow a bank to collapse it affects the investments of the other banks and they also collapse due to the foreign markets selling sterling and withdrawing their investment

sterling would collapse and we would be in the same situation as greece

We already owe more than Greece, it's just we pay over a longer term. And I hear what you're saying, but it should have just had to happen like that. I couldn't see how it could be worse than now to be honest.

The top blokes who took the cash and ran from the banks should have their assets taken off them, no matter what tax haven they're based at. It's international corruption at the expense of the EU tax payers.

Are we not strong enough as the EU to kick some bankers-buts?

 

[mikethetile]

I would go further than that Dan and jail them

the damage that has been done will take years to recover from

your right this country has got away with a bigger debt due to the repayment terms

 

[Dan]

Ahhhh, us waffling with never fix it but I thought I'd better vote as I kept reading on here that I can't moan until I do. Not too sure if it did good, or the moaning before and after but I hope when I have kids they have a decent future and the country will need to at least be on the right path to being fixed before that can be guaranteed. Those leaving school now are facing serious problems finding work or further education. Even the uni grants have been messy twice leaving students without cash for books!

Fingers crossed for whatever/whoever gets in power.

CDS might have hit the nail on the head. We've just got the best outcome from a bunch of bad options.

I'd say it isn't possible to do as so many country's are in a mess but Australia seem to have it sorted on subjects we've just never got right at all. Hat's off to them.

 

[DHTiling]

As requested by DAN!!

 

[Ken Bruty]

Thing is guys, this country has been bankrupt since WW2, the whole country is operating in Bankruptcy, money is worth nothing, cos there is no gold or precious metals to back it up (try and go into a bank and ask for £10 of gold for your crisp tenner as promised on the bank note, they'll kick you out and lock the doors :lol, and that's why there are so many laws to enslave us to get our hard earned cash, so that the few rich can get richer and keep us "normal" people (I keep hear us getting called this) quiet and busy trying to survive. Makes you wonder how it all keeps going eh?

Just my thoughts I felt necessary to share with you.:smilewinkgrin: