How would licencing effect you

[jay]

Interesting ,thanks for the replies .seems to be a lot just reading .Does make you wonder

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

As Dave says, "bring it on" the people who are skilled have nothing to fear. were-as the cowboys would be sussed. A true regulation for the building industry ( especially tiling) is long overdue imo. Plumbers/ Electricians are regulated and can't just talk a good job, why not tilers?

 

[The D]

It can only be a good thing for the professional tiler and it will stop all the other trades jumping on the band wagon saying yes we will tile that for you no need to get a tiler.

 

[Stewart]

I'm all for it and the sooner the better, though I do think anything close to getting the trade properly regulated is several years off at best.....


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[Spud]

It is not just a skills test it should also be based on how reputable and responsible a tradesman is ,I know a skilful tiler who is a complete liability and never finishes a job and goes from one customer/contractor to another leaving work half finished ,he does have ability but no integrity.
hopefully a licensing scheme would protect customers from this type of person

 

[Alan M]

as a "handyman". id agree that all trades need to be regulated. there is some tiling done by amatures that is both great and horrable and the same for pros.

all trades are the same . iv seen some terable carpentry done .
iv seen outside doors pvc fitted with a stud frame and plasterboard and skim . outside:yikes:

the trouble with all this regulation is that it would stop us all doing other little bits on jobs. it would eventually get to a point where you cant do anything without a mountain of certs and paperwork.
im sure most people on here have done a bit of
plumbing (moving something out of the way)
electrical ( moving sockets etc)
building stud work
building boxs around pipes and baths etc
painted a wall etc for someone when you were there doing up there bathroom.


technically you should have cerrts do all those but everyone does little bits extra on jobs that arent in your job description

 

[Perry]

Bring it on, time to rid the market of muppets...

what would you be worth Dave ? lol

 

[The D]

what would you be worth Dave ? lol

£17.50 per hour If you have an assessors qual and a teaching qual and an NVQ3

 

[AMtek]

i think its a great idea, would thin out the monkeys charging peanuts so prices would go up not down, it would be better for the customer as the chances they would need to pay twice would be minimised and fewer tilers in general would mean more work for the good tilers.

But on the other hand there are good tilers out there who are struggling as it is and having to get a ticket to tile would possibly push them into early retirement, change career etc.

On the whole though licensing gets a definate thumbs up from me!

 

[FrankM]

Thought I'd throw in how licensing works in AUS.

Licensing is currently run on a state level, with New South Wales and Queensland the only two states where licensing is required.

Under Queensland regulations, anyone carrying out building work of any kind valued higher than $3000 must be licensed through a government run department, the Building Services Authority.
The $3000 value includes labour and materials, so for a tiler, it also includes the value of the tiles. All builders must be licensed and are required to only engage subcontractors who also hold a license.
All license classes allow you to do "Incidental work of another class". So you can do small scale plastering, carpentry work without having to bring another guy in, except for plumbing and electrical work.

When and if things go wrong, the consumer registers a complaint with the Authority who is required to take action. If the work done is unsatisfactory or faulty and does not comply with Australian Standards or manufacturer's recommendations, the Authority will issue a "Direction to Rectify" to the head contractor. By that I mean, if a builder is involved and he has engaged a tiler, the direction goes to the builder as he has the overall contract with the client. He than has to sort it out with the tiler.

The direction is enforceable and failure to rectify result in prosecution, fines and demerit points. This system has been in place in Queensland since the late 1990's and starting this year, national licensing is being brought in, although no-one knows how it's going to work yet.

Now then.......

Is licensed contracting being enforced? Not really. They try, but it's almost impossible to track unlicensed "tradesman" down.
Has it improved the quality of workmanship? No
Has it reduced the number of cowboys? No, in fact, most of the have been handed a license.

I don't want to but a downer on the whole licensing thing because I thinks it's needed, but if regulation is in place, it needs to be done better.

 

[kilty55]

great idea in theory and i think it would be good but in all honesty atm there are far too many customers motivated by price and cheap jobs only which wouldnt go hand in hand with a regulated licence for building on domestic jobs imo.

its not just the muppet installers that need educated its the public as well.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Thanks Frank, my mate Ozboz aka steve is from the gold coast, he is working in the UK atm, he is originally from England.

When he first came back to the UK he commented on the poor prep work ie. screeding/plastering over here, he told me about the BSA licensing, I thought yeah, this is just what we need in the UK, but from what you say it seems cowboys will still slip through the net, shame.

 

[Ajax123]

Over reglation would stifle competition and regardless of peoples personal opinions competition is a good thing. Licencing could easily lead to corruption and would disuade new entrants to the trade. The trade would slowly but surely stagnate and die and polished concrete for which you dont need a licence would become the norm............ Alternatively it could be a good thing if it is managed properly but when have you ever known government managed industries to work properly

 

[doug boardley]

skim read...in principle a great idea! but in reality who will police it? Old granny smith will still go with Bob the Builders recommendation, same as, sadly, it's always been

 

[jay]

That is the down side of it Doug hasn't reached Tas yet but they keep saying its coming (so is Christmas) will be interesting how they issue them,

Mind you building inspectors are asking for details of waterproofing more and more and the builders cant get final ticket of completion unless form is filled out and sighed