How would licencing effect you

[kilty55]

great idea in theory and i think it would be good but in all honesty atm there are far too many customers motivated by price and cheap jobs only which wouldnt go hand in hand with a regulated licence for building on domestic jobs imo.

its not just the muppet installers that need educated its the public as well.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Thanks Frank, my mate Ozboz aka steve is from the gold coast, he is working in the UK atm, he is originally from England.

When he first came back to the UK he commented on the poor prep work ie. screeding/plastering over here, he told me about the BSA licensing, I thought yeah, this is just what we need in the UK, but from what you say it seems cowboys will still slip through the net, shame.

 

[Ajax123]

Over reglation would stifle competition and regardless of peoples personal opinions competition is a good thing. Licencing could easily lead to corruption and would disuade new entrants to the trade. The trade would slowly but surely stagnate and die and polished concrete for which you dont need a licence would become the norm............ Alternatively it could be a good thing if it is managed properly but when have you ever known government managed industries to work properly

 

[doug boardley]

skim read...in principle a great idea! but in reality who will police it? Old granny smith will still go with Bob the Builders recommendation, same as, sadly, it's always been

 

[jay]

That is the down side of it Doug hasn't reached Tas yet but they keep saying its coming (so is Christmas) will be interesting how they issue them,

Mind you building inspectors are asking for details of waterproofing more and more and the builders cant get final ticket of completion unless form is filled out and sighed

 

[bobbynz]

That is the down side of it Doug hasn't reached Tas yet but they keep saying its coming (so is Christmas) will be interesting how they issue them,

Mind you building inspectors are asking for details of waterproofing more and more and the builders cant get final ticket of completion unless form is filled out and sighed

Same here Jay. But really , what would be the purpose of regulation and licensing but to serve as protection of the customer be it a builder or granny smith. It will serve those who use it well.
But its a bit like wearing a seatbelt. you can choose to wear it or not .the consequences are yours to have.
To the builder or tiler, If you get caught without it = get fined. If granny smith doesn't use it she might have a problem or she might not, its her money to throw down the toilet if it all turns to custard.
Oh and I can't really see Tiles giving way to polished concrete.T:lol:iles have been going down for thousands of years cant see the trade falling away because of a bunch of cowboys bucking the system. But at the moment without regulation you'll continue to see these butchers and their work more and more. :incazzato:

 

[jay]

Funny part is because waterproofing is part of the building standards ,building inspectors have to know who and how and if you are licensed or they wont give the final approval..

So if mr tight bottomed builder goes and gets hi mate from down the pub to do the tiling he may have a problem

 

[Ajax123]

Cant see how having a licence would improve workmanship. Poor workmen can get a licence just as good ones can. What would a licening system actually acheive other than providing a nice new revenue stream for the tax office.

 

[Sean Page]

surely the licensing would end up just like the nvq/cscs sytem. In a previous life I was an nvq assessor for a different skill set and I do appreciate that these things can bring value, but when you have a bloke down the pub who can give you the certificates for "£200 no questions asked" it just becomes a waste of money and undermines any value.

It becomes the same as these trusted/approved tradesman sites, if you are willing to pay enough someone will approve you. I personally prefer the old fashioned method of building a good solid reputation based on work performed and customer feedback.

 

[jay]

If all new builds had to have licensed trades people (sparkeys plumbers and tilers) then the tradesman becomes responsible for his work (as your licence number goes on record for that job) so any issues can be sorted by the tradesman responsible or risk loosing there licence (if the system is set up correct) sort of a win for the customer and a win for the tiler as the customer will look for a licensed tiler .less chance of getting riped off

 

[jay]

The licencing system set up in Queensland mentioned by Frank ,seems to be a joke and does very little for the tilers (typical government run sham) and for the money they pay there should be more help

 

[Sean Page]

That's the trouble with any regulatory scheme, it'll only ever be as good as the body responsible for control. There are potential benefits all round for trades and customers, but there is also the risk that anyone willing to pay enough will be automatically seen as good without the customer doing any further checks or research.

 

[jay]

Money talks

Dont know if the licencing side was run by an association run by mainly tilers would be better
something with a registry that allows the public to check weather there tiler is licensed (or not financial or been removed due to faulty work) something simple might work and being ran by tilers themselves it would be in there best interest to keep it honest and above board as there trade is on the line (government backed would be good)

there licence number could be on there business card for cross reference with the registry (name and number) so jo blo cant use someones number

 

[Sean Page]

it does indeed, I've run in to a fellow a few times now that drives a nice new(ish) van, all professionally sign written, looking very good. His work is absolutely terrible, but he gets work because he looks the part.

About every 6 months he changes the name, gets the van redone and continues getting work from new unsuspecting customers. He admits that his reputation basically costs him, a new sign job (£400) but that is nothing compared to what he hits the customers for, "hit them hard and fast" is his motto

 

[FrankM]

The licencing system set up in Queensland mentioned by Frank ,seems to be a joke and does very little for the tilers (typical government run sham) and for the money they pay there should be more help

The licensing system is set up for the protection of consumers, as it would be if it were set up anywhere in the world. Protection for reputable tradespeople can only ever be secondary.

There have been quite a few changes with the governing Authority in the last couple of years. At the beginning their role was purely reactive, by that I mean that they became involved only when things went wrong. They have now become a lot more proactive, holding training seminars, shooting videos etc and they make these videos publicly available via their youtube channel ( bsavideochannel's Channel - YouTube if anyone's interested). I am a member of two advisory panels for the Authority, one on waterproofing and the other on tiling.

I think it's finally heading in the right direction.

 

[Peter]

Sounds like a good idea in theory but wouldn't make any difference in reality. I know plenty of sparks and plumbers who have the NIC EIC/ Gas Safe stickers on the van but they're not exactly the cream of the trade, far from it infact.

Would maybe make a difference on commercial site work but won't make an iota of difference to private installations, which is the part you need it in.