In need of advice screed/ slurry /tiles

[sparx83]

I own a small cider company in Northern ireland,

i am looking to have some Vitrified porcelain tiles installed, but from what i hear, i need to install them using a modified screed and a slurry coat and vibrate them in,

Has anyone any experience of this method?

what questions do i need to ask?

Thanks for all your help.

 

[White Room]

A bit more info might be good...what are you tiling to, floor screed etc

 

[Ajax123]

It's quite an old fashioned method. Similar to the old pressed wet bed method and similar to laying terrazzo. However, I'm not even sure it would work with porcs as they may be too brittle to withstand vibration. I would have thought with modern adhesives there would be a much easier option.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Phil Hobson has done thousands of metres using this 'old fashioned' method and if it's not a pension day he may be on to give you advice!
Especially as its cider driven!

 

[Brian the Tile]

done a lot of sand and cement fixing and fed the chickens but never heard of the vibrating ,bit please enlighten me

 

[One Day]

http://www.skanfloor.com/vibration process.htm

 

[Brian the Tile]

them tiles are aldi tiles

 

[Time's Ran Out]

That's how I know Mr Hobson is the man to talk to - he used to lead a team of Aldi installers!

 

[Brian the Tile]

and they make a cracking job wth them six inch tiles ,fair play

 

[High Peak Tiling]

Being inexperienced in this Vibration floor... why would you do this in this method?
why not matting with expansion joints?

 

[afright]

them tiles are aldi tiles

Think they are called ZinZig tiles Brian used to fix them many moons ago did a lot of bank vaults ,walls & floors.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Sorry I just got a chance to reply, TJ is correct we did thousands of m2 using this method visqueen mesh 60mm semi-dry 4:1 screed, with OPC slurry,(monolithic) all laid in one.

Afright is right too ZinZig ( Buchtal).

Not sure about fixing porcelain this way, I think you would need to add polymer to OPC slurry. ZinZig are dust pressed so they will draw in the OPC slurry, but the low porosity of porcelain would need a polymer to bond imho.

Power vibro damn good method.

 

[widler]

Would vibrating it break the porca phil ?
I knows its hard but its brittle as well, erm if you know what i mean 🙂

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Would vibrating it break the porca phil ?
I knows its hard but its brittle as well, erm if you know what i mean 🙂

Don't think so Craig as the screed will give, we worked on boards as shown in the pics to spread the weight, we also wore snow shoes to walk on tiles when vibrating.

This method works better with small tiles, ie. 150mmx 150mm/ 100mmx 200mm/ 150mm octagons.

 

[widler]

Don't think so Craig as the screed will give, we worked on boards as shown in the pics to spread the weight, we also wore snow shoes to walk on tiles when vibrating.

This method works better with small tiles, ie. 150mmx 150mm/ 100mmx 200mm/ 150mm octagons.

Ah ok, i see, did not look at pics.
Nice one phil, hope you ok mate

 

[sparx83]

Phil,

Thanks for the info,

i am looking at installing the

Argleith

hexalith

using the method advised above,

can anyone recommend a supplier of the tiles? or an Argelith agent?

I was looking to either find someone experience in using this technique to do the job or some advice for my friend joiner/tiler to do the laying of these,

i was planning on getting a screening contractor in to lay the screed on the slope thats required, and having a fall towards some drains, as this would make the laying a lot easier for whoever is doing it, or what do you think?

and then either get someone experienced or my mate to follow someones advice, i don't mind paying someone,

what do you think.

Cheers

 

[Time's Ran Out]

I'm sure Phil Hobson has a passport and if he needs a hand there will be plenty of tilers ready to learn! Myself included.

 

[sparx83]

I'm sure Phil Hobson has a passport and if he needs a hand there will be plenty of tilers ready to learn! Myself included.

No problem, i would be up for that, and you don't even need a passport any form of ID will do.

 

[wayne]

I used to lay these floors too. Very hard graft but decent money to be earned. All I remember is tonnes of screed getting delivered every morning and a minimum of 4 pallets of hexagons to unpack, load out and clean up. Oh and then at the end of the day the small matter of epoxy grouting the previous days work. If anyone goes to do the job I would be willing to help out.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I used to lay these floors too. Very hard graft but decent money to be earned. All I remember is tonnes of screed getting delivered every morning and a minimum of 4 pallets of hexagons to unpack, load out and clean up. Oh and then at the end of the day the small matter of epoxy grouting the previous days work. If anyone goes to do the job I would be willing to help out.

Wayne, if you search tungsten tips post, ask Phil Hobson about hard work, we used to love Sunday's we only had to grout 600m2 easy day.

 

[wayne]

Phil I used to work for a company in Crewe called Sgl acotec or ancorite.A lot of the lads I know worked a kemtile as well you may have seen them around. Used to love it but hard graft. Most of the lads I worked with have retired now only a couple left working.

 

[lizzardtong]

found that quite interesting http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lg7BWdVaJ_s

 

[afright]

The old tilers I trained with referred to this type of tiling on a slurry screed as the swedish method,but some of them.would not make a slurry mix they would coat the screed in dry cement and wait for it to dampen then trowel it getting a slurry.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Phil I used to work for a company in Crewe called Sgl acotec or ancorite.A lot of the lads I know worked a kemtile as well you may have seen them around. Used to love it but hard graft. Most of the lads I worked with have retired now only a couple left working.

Wayne I worked for Ancorite when Bob Howard and Neil McConnell where there.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

found that quite interesting http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lg7BWdVaJ_s

A bit DIY for me, super Mario did not cut the mustard, peppering the screed, not good practice, the reliance on screeding machines, rather than the real skill of screeding is Raimondi all over.

To be honest the real power vibro lads would laugh at that video

 

[wayne]

I think Neil was in charge when I worked there. I worked with Trevor chawner and his gang. Old John Mann taught me if you ever met him

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I think Neil was in charge when I worked there. I worked with Trevor chawner and his gang. Old John Mann taught me if you ever met him

No Wayne, never had the pleasure. But 25 tons of ready mix at 8 am.was daunting, every day for ten days.

Money was good, did take it out of the body though.