Job pricing, commercial

[Peter]

£12 before tax is probably what they're thinking. Still good money to be made.

 

[Stef]

£12 before tax is probably what they're thinking. Still good money to be made.

Cheers Peter, it will get priced accordingly & if we get it then there will be good money to be made for everyone.
I reckon with the size of the areas a good tiler will knock out 25m2 per day.
Will find out by the end of the week.

 

[Peter]

Can work well if you're paying 5 tilers £80 a day

 

[Time's Ran Out]

There are only a few tiling companies that can finance this type of job. They usually have 10-20 permanent Tilers on their books and the Tilers would be on meterage at prices already quoted , so there's Nowt in it for you!
I'd ask where did they get my name? Who did the previously use? Did they get paid for previous work?

 

[Spud]

You need to average out 12m2 per day per man then put you margin on , materials and then the builders discount and retention I would be looking 200k

 

[Pebbs]

Stef,

Theres more than the cost of the m2 rate to consider on a large scale contract. You have to take on board a multitude of responsibilities. Firstly you have to make sure all your insurances are in order, if they are not then you have to make a budget allowance for those. Next you have to check if there are any prelims on the contract, mainly for site supervision, pre-contract meetings. They will expect you to produce method statements, safety returns done on a daily basis (by your site supervisor) inductions, weekly progress meetings, you need a programme of works before you accept any contract. Check that the working hours are normal, if they are not you have to make allowances for out of hours work. Who will be in charge of getting the materials to the work areas, if its you, your going to have to make allowances for labourers. All your equipment has to be pat tested with the certs. OMG the list goes on and on. The one most important thing I always ask is this...are the works of a continuous nature? If they are not, then your going to have lads standing around whilst waiting for the trades ahead, that is the killer on large contracts. They always say we hope so...well hope is not good enough, unless you can slot your lads onto another contract your scuppered. You have then to calculate all these things into your costing sheet, before you even think about how much your going to charge for the meterage rate. Always build in the 7.5% into the overall cost, they will always hold back their 5% retention, for at least a year after the job is completed and you will always get calls to go and do snags after completion of the works. The 2.5% is for the MCD, but some main contractors will try and go for 5% discount.
The biggest killer is always going to be the payment terms, if you are one day over that application date, they will bang it into the following month. So that means you could be waiting 12 weeks to get paid. So your cash flow has to be monitored at all times.
My advice to you is this, go with your gut feeling at the meeting, if you get a bad feeling, go with it. I have worked with a lot of main contractors over the years, some are ok, some are scum of the earth and then some are decent. Unfortuntely the decent ones are few and far between.
Always check out who you are dealing with reputation wise, and run a credit report, ask around, ask a lot of questions, this is your livelihood, you hit one bad contract and it can wipe you out.

Good luck

Lynn

 

[Stef]

Cheers folks, there's a lot of ifs buts n mibees towards this tender,
I'm not scrimping on price here, I'm going in with a good bit of knowledge, if we get it then there will be good money to be made, if we don't then we will just roll into the next job in hand.

 

[jonnyc]

I think this is a big job for anyone.you are a brave man if you think you can finance this and cost right. What's the biggest job you have done to date and how many Tilers did you need to employ for that job.i have done a fair few around 500 sq mts but I was using my own employees and not having to worry about sinewssinews

 

[Stef]

I think this is a big job for anyone.you are a brave man if you think you can finance this and cost right. What's the biggest job you have done to date and how many Tilers did you need to employ for that job.i have done a fair few around 500 sq mts but I was using my own employees and not having to worry about sinewssinews

Jonny, this is a huge job for me, the biggest I have done is about 600m2 but you have to take a chance now & again, we will be well covered with legal stuff but I'm a great believer if you don't ask you don't get so we will take a punt on this.
Price it up, if we get it happy days if not then we move on..

 

[Rizzle from the Portizzle]

£12 before tax is probably what they're thinking. Still good money to be made.

turn over is vanity profit is sanity £12 2m is insanity.on a job like this minmum paper work on a job like this £1/ 2m theres 5 grand gone 5 fixers standing about one day a week x8 weeks there goes another 4 grand gone now snagging making good damage caused by others 2 grand gone so things are going well only 11 grand gone so far then the pently claues .the only way you will earn money on a job like this to start at 6 pm when all the other trades have gone lay floors in rappid set until 2 am then go home same all the way through .walk a way at £12 2m its already costing you £2.20 2m and you have not laid a tile