kitchen quote

[Matthew77]

Hi all.

Could really do with a bit of help from you more experienced tilers with pricing up this job & tile quantities?

Tiles are all 100mm x 100mm

Customer wants a feature above the cooker all white tile with 2 black strips of black tile running vertically from top to bottom. cooker & cooker hood area 1.2 x 1.4 (1.7m²) (I've worked out this area to be 2m² white tiles)

Splashback area 8.2 metres long x 400mm high (4 tiles high). Starting vertically with a black tile off the worktop then 2 white tiles then a black tile finishing off at the top running all the way around the length of the worktops. (2m² white tiles) (2m² black tiles)

Then there is the window reveals & sill to tile length of the sill is 1.2m And the sill and reveal depths are 200mm matching the same height as the rest of the tiles at 400mm high. Also there are 9 electric sockets to tile around.

Usually I work on sites at a day rate & I'm supplied with the tiles so I've not done alot of pricing up. I'm guessing that it will take me between 2 & 2 & a half days to tile & grout. The average meter rate here is around £25 m² for ceramic tiles but with the window reveal sockets & use of 2 different tiles I'm thinking that I'd be losing money if I priced it by the meter?

Any help would be really appreciated

Thanks

 

[grumpygrouter]

Hi all.

Could really do with a bit of help from you more experienced tilers with pricing up this job & tile quantities?

Tiles are all 100mm x 100mm

Customer wants a feature above the cooker all white tile with 2 black strips of black tile running vertically from top to bottom. cooker & cooker hood area 1.2 x 1.4 (1.7m²) (I've worked out this area to be 2m² white tiles)

Splashback area 8.2 metres long x 400mm high (4 tiles high). Starting vertically with a black tile off the worktop then 2 white tiles then a black tile finishing off at the top running all the way around the length of the worktops. (2m² white tiles) (2m² black tiles)

Then there is the window reveals & sill to tile length of the sill is 1.2m And the sill and reveal depths are 200mm matching the same height as the rest of the tiles at 400mm high. Also there are 9 electric sockets to tile around.

Usually I work on sites at a day rate & I'm supplied with the tiles so I've not done alot of pricing up. I'm guessing that it will take me between 2 & 2 & a half days to tile & grout. The average meter rate here is around £25 m² for ceramic tiles but with the window reveal sockets & use of 2 different tiles I'm thinking that I'd be losing money if I priced it by the meter?

Any help would be really appreciated

Thanks

You would need to price by day rate for this.

 

[Matthew77]

thanks grumpy

I know that this will depend on how fast I tile butIf I'm pricing by day rate do you think 2 and a half days is a reasonable amount of time or is that a bit on the slow side? my current rates are £15 ph or £120 for an 8 hour day.

So around £300 would be my quote on day rate for labour does that seem reasonable to you guys or a bit steep?

Thanks again

 

[grumpygrouter]

With 100x100 and that amount of area, I would personally be looking at 3 days min. for this job, but I am not the fastest tiler in the world. There are at least 600 tiles to fix, along with a larger than normal grout job......

 

[smurf21]

sorry but its still only 6 m2 of tiling 300 is about 50 quid a meter half that is more acceptable your customer shouldnt be punished for your lack of speed bite the bullet give a fair price speed will come with time.

 

[doit4u]

Know the problem, I am OK on pricing floors but have problems with kitchens and bathrooms, I either seem to over or under estimate. Assuming the walls are good and there aren't loads of sockets I would guestimate 2 days. I use the same hourly/day rate as you. Shouldn't slow you down using two different coloured tiles.

 

[grumpygrouter]

sorry but its still only 6 m2 of tiling 300 is about 50 quid a meter half that is more acceptable your customer shouldnt be punished for your lack of speed bite the bullet give a fair price speed will come with time.

You think it takes no longer to fix 100x100mm tiles than 200x200 then?

 

[kilty55]

sorry but its still only 6 m2 of tiling 300 is about 50 quid a meter half that is more acceptable your customer shouldnt be punished for your lack of speed bite the bullet give a fair price speed will come with time.

hmmm so if the splashback was 3 m2 as a lot are you would charge 75 quid for the job? you cant base all jobs on a sq metre price you wont make any money.

 

[kilty55]

mathew i find this helps me on splashback pricing. i class an average splashback at bout 3 to 4 sq metres based on this i charge 1 days tiling and a morning grouting/siliconing so bout 160 labour so anything bigger i add accordingly so a 6 sq metre wd be 260 a 10 sq metre bout 400 i hope this helps out

 

[Alan.P]

sorry but its still only 6 m2 of tiling 300 is about 50 quid a meter half that is more acceptable your customer shouldnt be punished for your lack of speed bite the bullet give a fair price speed will come with time.

I think that's more than a bit harsh, as has been said, you can't go in at a m2 rate on all jobs, this one in particular is more out of the ordinary with 2 types a lot of sockets and a feature, yes all the tiles are 100x100 so should go up easy enough with some thought. I would allow for 3 visits, 1 1/2 to 2 days to fix, next visit to grout and then another to Silicon, of course, it would be nice to fix and grout on the second visit, depending on time, I would therefore charge this at 2 to 2 & 1/2 x day rates, depending on what your rate is, and how quick you are, everyone differs.

Hope that helps.

 

[smurf21]

I agree with you all not all jobs can be quoted for on a m2 rate but come on guys unless tour talking about mosaic 100x 100 tiles aint that different to 150x150 its only 6m2 any tiler new or veteran should be able to do this in a day ..ok a day fixing and 1/2 day to grout and finish but any more than that is taking the biscuit. and yes for 3m2 of 100x100 i would charge 75 plus matts be done for dinner and onto the next one. but thats just me. because i think thats all that job is worth but that is for ceramic only stone is diff coz of sealing etc..And as for the sockets we all know theres sockets in every kitchen and there a damn site easier to cut round using 100x100 than any other tile so thats not a factor.

Kilty just this week tiled two half tiled ceramic 100x100 9m2 kitchens thats 18m2 100x100 plus extras in bathroom 2m2(not 100x100)and 4m2 bath floor on screed it took 2 1/2 days £600 plus matts how much money do you want to make? like i said i wasnt being harsh just realistic speed comes with time and experience im 25 years in and just believe that customers shouldnt be overcharged for the tilers lack of speed and if fixers cant make that type of tile pay then dont take them on. but hey were all different at the end of the day price what your all happy with if you get the jobs great... andalso got six more kiitchen from those two same guy.

 

[Matthew77]

Know the problem, I am OK on pricing floors but have problems with kitchens and bathrooms, I either seem to over or under estimate. Assuming the walls are good and there aren't loads of sockets I would guestimate 2 days. I use the same hourly/day rate as you. Shouldn't slow you down using two different coloured tiles.

I've done a similar sized kitchen in a random 4 colour & that took me 2 days in total, but just needed some ideas of whether or not my pricing was competitive because as mentioned £300 for this kitchen is over £50 a metre which does seem like alot but there is a bit more setting out on this job & I can't see me getting it all finished in less than 2 days.

Thanks for you input everyone, it has made it a bit clearer to me.

Still not completely sure about how to price this one so if anyone else has any advice that'd be appreciated but I guess at the moment I'd rather go in a bit lower as Its my first year of working for myself so I'm after all the recommendations from customers I can get (So far all my private customers have been really happy with my quality of work and
tidiness, but i don't really want to be charging to much due to me being a bit slow.

Cheers all

 

[smurf21]

Mathew i dont mean to sound harsh so if thats how it sounds i apologise to you,
All i am trying to say is a customer shouldnt have to suffer the cost because you may be to slow at the moment to make it pay at that timescale if you explain to the customer that it will take that amount of time and they are happy with it then thats fine. But you dont want to lose recomendations for overpricing a break even job at ths time may lead to a bigger job next time that you can pull your loss back from. And dont ever feel you have to compromise finish for speed it will come. so price the job with what you feel comfortable with earning ,No one can tell you what to charge to win the job the prices i mentioned are what i am comfortable with i make money and the customer gets a job done at a competitive price for this area.

 

[smurf21]

And on another note GRUMPY GROUTER yes it does take longer to tile with100x100 than 200x200 but if thts your logic do you charge less for 300x300 than you would for 200x200?

 

[Matthew77]

Mathew i dont mean to sound harsh so if thats how it sounds i apologise to you,
All i am trying to say is a customer shouldnt have to suffer the cost because you may be to slow at the moment to make it pay at that timescale if you explain to the customer that it will take that amount of time and they are happy with it then thats fine. But you dont want to lose recomendations for overpricing a break even job at ths time may lead to a bigger job next time that you can pull your loss back from. And dont ever feel you have to compromise finish for speed it will come. so price the job with what you feel comfortable with earning ,No one can tell you what to charge to win the job the prices i mentioned are what i am comfortable with i make money and the customer gets a job done at a competitive price for this area.

No smurf thanks for your opinion. I realise what your saying which is the main reason for me starting this thread I'm just trying to get some kind of idea of whether my prices are too steep or not enough.