Large floor

[One Day]

If it's the floor - not the tiling - then yes, why wouldn't you?

That said, I've seen Kingspan thrown onto unprepared block and beam, full of rubble and dirt. Kingspan very loose and uneven. Then screeders pumping anhydrite with no care, certainly no expansion joints on huge runs or between rooms. Screeders are still at fault for not caring what they screed onto?

 

[J Sid]

So whenever a floor fails we just point the finger at the screeders .

NO

 

[One Day]

yes they were L cuts, but on removing tile and Ditra the screed had cracked in the same place as tile.

It will but it's honestly not related. Screed cracks at corners, tiles crack on L cuts.
I'll take some pics tomorrow to show all the cracks on the floor I'm tiling.

 

[J Sid]

It will but it's honestly not related. Screed cracks at corners, tiles crack on L cuts.
I'll take some pics tomorrow to show all the cracks on the floor I'm tiling.

if screeders prepare substrate correctly, mix correctly and put in sufficient expansion joints I feel a lot of these problems should be eliminated.

 

[Dumbo]

on this forum is the only time i've heard a written disclaimer isn't legally binding. if it's not negligence then no case to answer. non use of a decoupler is not a factor that someone could be liable for floor failure! it's not even in BS!

Surely BS should be the minimum standard tiling work

if screeders prepare substrate correctly, mix correctly and put in sufficient expansion joints I feel a lot of these problems should be eliminated.

How many expansion joints do you see in domestics .

 

[One Day]

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if screeders prepare substrate correctly, mix correctly and put in sufficient expansion joints I feel a lot of these problems should be eliminated.

Absolutely agree 100%
the quality of many floors we fix to is simply rubbish.

 

[One Day]

Surely BS should be the minimum standard tiling work

How many expansion joints do you see in domestics .

Never seen any expansion joints. I've seen them supplied and put in the skip!

 

[hmtiling]

i've heard time and time again on here how a failure how failure would be down to the tile fixer who has

Surely BS should be the minimum standard tiling work

How many expansion joints do you see in domestics .

You miss my point

 

[Dumbo]

i've heard time and time again on here how a failure how failure would be down to the tile fixer who has

You miss my point

I sorry but I do can you explain to slower thinking of us well me

 

[hmtiling]

I sorry but I do can you explain to slower thinking of us well me

Punctuation and rearrangement of words may help me understand this a little better

 

[hmtiling]

Punctuation and rearrangement of words may help me understand this a little better

sorry, the point i was trying to make is that if a floor failed and tiles are fixed correctly with expansion joints then it's the screeder's fault and the fixer shouldn't be liable.
That being said, i wouldn't do it without decoupling unless it was a screeder i know and trust(2!) on a heated screed.

 

[Dumbo]

Punctuation and rearrangement of words may help me understand this a little better

Sorry , not great with the grammar . My wife doesn't let me send out quotes

 

[Italy]

I just wanted to clarify my thinking, I'm not saying that DITRA not good.
it is only a surplus for this type of work, in all my works, I have never seen cracks in the tiles or customers who call me for problems.
many times I have taken responsibility that not even the customer and the 'plumber, they wanted to take, but the floors after years are still there.
also say that lately, new types of screeds allow you to perform tiles even without expansion joints on UHF. (See my recent works performed).
the landlord, building engineer, told me that this type of screed, tiles allows up to 100 square meters without expansion joints.
other constructor, are at least three years that no longer wants expansion joints on the doors, for now he is right, later with time we will see if he exaggerated.
For me yes.

 

[Just Rizzle]

actually the only thing we as tilers have to do is perfom the service with reasonable care and skill as said in the consumer rights act 2015

 

[One Day]

I just wanted to clarify my thinking, I'm not saying that DITRA not good.
it is only a surplus for this type of work, in all my works, I have never seen cracks in the tiles or customers who call me for problems.
many times I have taken responsibility that not even the customer and the 'plumber, they wanted to take, but the floors after years are still there.
also say that lately, new types of screeds allow you to perform tiles even without expansion joints on UHF. (See my recent works performed).
the landlord, building engineer, told me that this type of screed, tiles allows up to 100 square meters without expansion joints.
other constructor, are at least three years that no longer wants expansion joints on the doors, for now he is right, later with time we will see if he exaggerated.
For me yes.

Good point about new screeds Antonio. I agree, new anhydrite screeds are supposed to have next to zero movement. BUT! I have seen plenty of them crack and it will be down to the idiots who are installing them badly. That's why I insist on Ditra.
Italian floors may be better installed than ours?!