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GatesheadCol

Well guys,

Dropped a huge clanger yesterday.

Been tiling a bathroom 16m2 in 100 x 200 white and black tiles.

Anyway came to grouting them yesterday and if Im honest this is the first job I have had with so many small format tiles laid.

So I started grouting at 330 and just kept on grouting till all the walls were done.

Then went to start washing them down. ........ of course you know the score.

Too much grouted in one go and where I started was so dry its taking ages to wash off.

Moral of story small tiles grout one walll at a time, then wash it down straight away b4 doing the next one.

Had to leave halfway through as well due to kids, so have to go back there today and try to get the rest off.


Do any of you guys know any tricks to help get the stuff off quicker????
 
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sWe

Ooh, that's bad. You need to grout small sections at a time, like 4m2 or so (depending on your speed, the porosity and sensitivity of the tiles, and the open time of the grout), and then begin washing of where you started on that section. That gives the grout enough time to set a little bit, while remaining easy enough to clean off.

If you grout an entire room in one go, the grout is likely to be too dry when you start washing off, which'll make it REALLY difficult to get a smooth joint, and it might result in there being alot of residue on the tiles as well. Leaving it over night without completing the washing is a BIG nono.

I guess you could have a go at it using a polishing machine with scotch brite pads, but I doubt it would work well, and you might ruin the tiles as well.

You'll likely have to remove the grout and start over again...
Regrouting is proportionaly speaking one of the most annoying and time consuming tasks in the profession.
 
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GatesheadCol

Well guys 7 hours later and loads of scourer pads later, I managed to get the grout off the tiles.

You were all right the joints arent perfect, Im not happy with the finish myself but the customer is.

Might still offer to go back and regrout later though cos I aint happy with it at all, looks rough.

So when it comes to grouting, how much do you guys mix up at a time? Ive been lucky enough to have only done large format tiles so far and the small format ones have all been small kitchen splashbacks etc, about 4-5 m2 so havent had this problem yet,

I thought it was better to mix the grout once, how do you ensure consistency in the mixng? It seems best guess mixong grout to be honest or do you use measures??
 
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sWe

Depends on the open time of the grout. I grout pretty fast, so unless I need to use several types or colors of grout, or if the working surface is really really big, I generally just mix one batch and do one section at a time. A section can be a single wall or floor, but usually no more than about 2-4 m2 at a time. It takes me about 30-40 minutes to grout and wash an average 25m2 bathroom with medium to large sized tiles. I can do it alot faster, but that might not produce a perfect finish.

If I need to mix multiple times, I measure the amount of water and powder. I generally try to always measure the amounts I mix, but sometimes, when I'm in a hurry, I just mix on feel.
 
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GatesheadCol

I suppose thats where ive been going wrong slightly.

Been grouting the whole walls and then washing. If I did it your way then it would of course be quicker to wash wouldnt it.

Will give it a go 2moz on my next job.

Mind its only a 3m2 shower and 2m2 floor lol

so its not really a good test.have got a 15m2 kitchen to grout pretty soon though, good opportunity
 
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Daz

'kin hell sWe, I wish I was that quick!
I usually knock up a reasonable amount of grout according to the area and grout specs. I just make sure that I wash down as I go, leaving 15 to 20 mins after slapping the grout on.
I then buff up with a soft scourer pad thingy that I got from Topps after the grout has had an hour or so.

Always mix up by hand wearing latex gloves - it's the only way to ensure a smooth consistent mix.
 
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sWe

Do consider, that though the manufacturers usually recommend you leave the grout to set for ten to fifteen minutes, it really depends on the nature of the tiles. If they're very porous, they absorb alot of the water from the grout very quickly. If they're very dense and absorb very little moisture, you need to leave it to set for a bit longer, which allows you to grout larger sections at a time.

I'll dig up an old guide to grouting I did. BRB.
 
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sWe

Right, here's a quick guide to grouting using a washboy. It's a modified version of a previous post I made. It's looong.


A guide to grouting using a washboy and a spongefloat


Grouting basics

Only grout and clean one surface at a time, and if it is large, you may want to divide it into sections. Doing this ensures the grout doesn't dry up too much. Bear in mind that you don't want the grout to be too fresh/wet either. If it is too wet, the additional water on the sponge will weaken the grout. You have to find a compromise between ease of cleaning, and the amount of time you wait before cleaning, up to a certain point. Wait to long after application and the job will be botched. Wait to little, and the grout will crumble after a few months.

Do consider, that though the manufacturers usually recommend you leave the grout to set for ten to fifteen minutes, it really depends on the nature of the tiles. If they're very porous, they absorb alot of the water from the grout very quickly. If they're very dense and absorb very little moisture, you need to leave it to set for a bit longer, which allows you to grout larger sections at a time. You'll get a feel for it after a few times.

Mixing

ALWAYS, and I cannot stress this enough, use clean tools. Old adhesive or grout residue will accelerate the curing of the grout, and that'll compromise the quality of the end result. Any dirt might cause discolouration of the grout as well.

If you don't measure the amount of water and powder you use, you generally want the grout to be about the consistency of mayonaise. This depends on the type and brand of grout you use. It's easier to measure if you've got a graded scoop and bucket or similar, and it's also recommended you do.

Know this: mixing by hand is pretty useless unless it's a really small batch. Those who say you can't get a proper result using an electrical mixer, probably used a regular high-RPM drill and some cheap paddle, instead of a proper low-RPM mortar mixer and a proper grout paddle.

In fact, you're more likely to get a bad result when you mix by hand, than you are when using a proper mixer. The grout is supposed to be completely homogenous, and there can't be any lumps. By using a proper grout paddle and a low-RPM mortar mixer, you'll avoid mixing air into it.

Before you start grouting, let the grout "rest" for about two minutes in the bucket, and then mix it once more. This produces a perfect consistency if you've done everything else right.

Grouting

Pick some grout up with a bucket trowel or similar, and put it onto your grout float.

If you're grouting a wall, always begin from the top. This is because you want to start from the top when washing too, or you'll have to go over the entire thing again just to clean away drippage. Also, where you started grouting, will have had the longest time to set when you start washing, so it's only logical to start there.

Put the grout onto the wall, begining high, with a vertical motion. Don't press hard.

Start going over the grout with firm 45 degree motions. This works the grout into the grout lines, and avoids "digging" grout out.

You want there to be as little grout as possible left on the tiles themselves when you start washing off.

If you're grouting a floor, put the grout directly onto it from the bucket or the trowel. "Push" it infront of the grout float using an "S"-like motion.

I tend to begin in the corners, both on walls and floors. Make sure to not grout the corner grout lines if you intend to Silicon them.

Washboy basics

Fill the washboy with cold, clean water, so that it covers the grating by around 2-3 cm.

Wet/clean the sponge. If the float is dirty, you'll remove the "muck" by pressing against the grating.

Remove the excess water. Do this by going over the rollers with the sponge float once, then stopping with one end "flat" against the rollers, and then "squeese" the end dry by tilting the float up to an angle of about 45 degrees. Repeat on the other end, and go over the rollers with the entire float again. If the sponge leaks water when going over the roller the last time, you need to repeat. You want the sponge float to be as clean as possible, and damp, not wet. Too much water can damage the grouting mortar, making it brittle and unevenly coloured.

Washing

Go over the tiles in a circular motion with the sponge float. Your objective in this stage isn't cleaning, but to even out the grout.

The circular motion also cleans away the worst excess, but leaves enough to work with when cleaning. Clean the sponge as needed, but not too often. Fill out any gaps in the grouting as needed. Often, you just need to use a finger.

When the grout is fairly even, you can start removing the excess grout. Do this by pressing the float firmly against the surface, and going slooowly in a horisontal motion. Start from the top. Clean just as you start noting the float leaving as "track".

Any dirty excess water drips downwards, and by keeping the motion horisontal, you clean the drip up as you go.

If there is a "film" on the tiles, wait a few minutes for the grout to become a little bit dryer to the touch, and go over the surface lightly with the float. Make sure it is just damp with clean water. To much water may weaken the grout; dirty water is counterproductive. After a few hours, you can go over the grouted surfaces with a clean piece of cloth in order to clean away any residue on the tiles.


Cleaning grout is about finding a good compromise between speed and the quality of the result, which works for you and your way of working. Some techniques require loads of time, but produce perfect results, and vice versa.
As you get more experienced, you'll need less time to produce a good result.

Final notes

I find that my technique is sufficiently fast for the most part, and the result is as close to perfect I can get within a reasonable amount of time.

When you're done grouting, empty the water somewhere you don't risk causing a blockage. In the bottom of the washboy, there will be a layer of cement. If it's new, it'll be lose, and you can scrape it out, or wash it out with a hose. If it's been there for a day or so, or if you've been doing lots of grouting, then you can "tap" it out, by putting the washboy upside down, and tapping with the handle of a trowel round the edges. Do not tap in the middle, as you might crack the plastic if you tap too hard.
 
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