Nomoreply - which adhesive & screws?!?!?!?

[robthebubble]

Cheers Wayne...thanks for your comment!

 

[robthebubble]

Hang on you have 3m2 of floor and you are going to put no more stuff on it, that will give you at least 4 points of weakness over 18mm chipboard. You will need to cross the joints on the chipboard which makes this no more stuff idea more expensive as you will be looking at 4+ boards.

Forget £30 if your going to do it right m8


And this no more stuff doesnt reflect heat


tiler

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Tiler...I'm a bit confused by what your saying...so you think I should forget about putting the nomoreply down and go straight on with the tiles?

 

[wetdec]

Well no thats not what I've said.

You have a 3m2 floor inorder to do the no more stuff right you will need to cross the joints on the existing weyroc boards, to do this you will need minimum 4 no more stuff. If you use 4+ no more stuff then you will have at least 4 points of weakness (where the boards join they hinge)

If you go buy 1 sheet of 6mm ply cost £10 anput it down then you have no points of weaknes and a surface which to work off. Screw down the existing weyroc then screw the ply or use twist shanks to nail it every 150mm.

Because your floor is only 3m your delection is minimal and the above would be fine.


tiler

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[robthebubble]

Well no thats not what I've said.

You have a 3m2 floor inorder to do the no more stuff right you will need to cross the joints on the existing weyroc boards, to do this you will need minimum 4 no more stuff. If you use 4+ no more stuff then you will have at least 4 points of weakness (where the boards join they hinge)

If you go buy 1 sheet of 6mm ply cost £10 anput it down then you have no points of weaknes and a surface which to work off. Screw down the existing weyroc then screw the ply or use twist shanks to nail it every 150mm.

Because your floor is only 3m your delection is minimal and the above would be fine.


tiler

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Ahhhh...I see what you mean now. So because the floor is fairly small it isn't really worth spending the money on nomoreply and I migh as well just overboard witht he 6mm ply as it will do the job just as well.

Are plasterboard screws anygood (got loads at home) or should I just get bog-standard zinc coted or go for stainless steel?

Cheers

Rob

 

[wetdec]

I will explain overboarding of weyroc :

Weyroc (chipboars) is generally used as flooring in modern homes, the boards used are 2.4m long x 600mm wide. They are laid accross the joists and should be glued along the joists and edges.


Bare in mind that propper glueing is rare, the manufacturers say the glue stops squeeking but to squeek the have to move right

In time it is rare to find a floor that has not moved with settlement and the boards often exhibit deflection. Some floors I have seen have been layed with the joists and this creates high spots.

If your intention is to over board either with a substrate board or ply your aim is to reduce weak spots in the floor and prevent deflection. To do this you have to secure points of weaknes or the joints between the boards.

Overboarding should cross the existing joints and be screwed or fastened with ring/skew nails every 100-150mm

Because of the sizes of substrate boards then the more you use the more points of weakness or joints you will have, to help prevent this boards should be staggered (like brickwork).

This can be done with ply but obviously to a lesser extent due to size.


Personally in a room up to 5/6m2 ply is the answer, not only cheaper but makes for a stronger job.


Hope this helps out


tiler

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Yes Rob !


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[robthebubble]

I will explain overboarding of weyroc :

Weyroc (chipboars) is generally used as flooring in modern homes, the boards used are 2.4m long x 600mm wide. They are laid accross the joists and should be glued along the joists and edges.


Bare in mind that propper glueing is rare, the manufacturers say the glue stops squeeking but to squeek the have to move right

In time it is rare to find a floor that has not moved with settlement and the boards often exhibit deflection. Some floors I have seen have been layed with the joists and this creates high spots.

If your intention is to over board either with a substrate board or ply your aim is to reduce weak spots in the floor and prevent deflection. To do this you have to secure points of weaknes or the joints between the boards.

Overboarding should cross the existing joints and be screwed or fastened with ring/skew nails every 100-150mm

Because of the sizes of substrate boards then the more you use the more points of weakness or joints you will have, to help prevent this boards should be staggered (like brickwork).

This can be done with ply but obviously to a lesser extent due to size.


Personally in a room up to 5/6m2 ply is the answer, not only cheaper but makes for a stronger job.


Hope this helps out


tiler

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Yes Rob !


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Cheers Tiler, because of the shape of the floor I can get away with one sheet of ply so no joints to worry about! and as you have confirmed because I have loads of plasterboard screws I can use those. Just need to get the ply from the diy store to my house now!

 

[wetdec]

This is exactly my point and why I generally use ply for these smaller jobs, a floor may be 6m2 but you may only cover 4m2. Substrate boards are cool and have a place but I dont think the smaller job is worth the agro.

All tradesmen have their own thoughts and opinions the above feedback from myself is mine.


tiler

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[robthebubble]

This is exactly my point and why I generally use ply for these smaller jobs, a floor may be 6m2 but you may only cover 4m2. Substrate boards are cool and have a place but I dont think the smaller job is worth the agro.

All tradesmen have their own thoughts and opinions the above feedback from myself is mine.


tiler

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Well seeing as I'm a DIY person your comments are invaluable! Thanks for your help!

 

[Droopy]

If you are using NO MORE PLY you must use their adhesive, nt sure about the screws though.
The adhesive adds a lot of the strength to the board.
It expands under the board then hardens, very hard.

 

[Gazzer]

I am sure any manufacturer of these type of things will say that if you dont use their products as specified ie: adhesive and screws etc, then in case of failure dont complain to them.
IMO the adhesive sold by NMP is over priced and is my main reason for not using it that much.