Nomoreply - which adhesive & screws?!?!?!?

[robthebubble]

I will explain overboarding of weyroc :

Weyroc (chipboars) is generally used as flooring in modern homes, the boards used are 2.4m long x 600mm wide. They are laid accross the joists and should be glued along the joists and edges.


Bare in mind that propper glueing is rare, the manufacturers say the glue stops squeeking but to squeek the have to move right

In time it is rare to find a floor that has not moved with settlement and the boards often exhibit deflection. Some floors I have seen have been layed with the joists and this creates high spots.

If your intention is to over board either with a substrate board or ply your aim is to reduce weak spots in the floor and prevent deflection. To do this you have to secure points of weaknes or the joints between the boards.

Overboarding should cross the existing joints and be screwed or fastened with ring/skew nails every 100-150mm

Because of the sizes of substrate boards then the more you use the more points of weakness or joints you will have, to help prevent this boards should be staggered (like brickwork).

This can be done with ply but obviously to a lesser extent due to size.


Personally in a room up to 5/6m2 ply is the answer, not only cheaper but makes for a stronger job.


Hope this helps out


tiler

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Yes Rob !


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Cheers Tiler, because of the shape of the floor I can get away with one sheet of ply so no joints to worry about! and as you have confirmed because I have loads of plasterboard screws I can use those. Just need to get the ply from the diy store to my house now!

 

[wetdec]

This is exactly my point and why I generally use ply for these smaller jobs, a floor may be 6m2 but you may only cover 4m2. Substrate boards are cool and have a place but I dont think the smaller job is worth the agro.

All tradesmen have their own thoughts and opinions the above feedback from myself is mine.


tiler

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[robthebubble]

This is exactly my point and why I generally use ply for these smaller jobs, a floor may be 6m2 but you may only cover 4m2. Substrate boards are cool and have a place but I dont think the smaller job is worth the agro.

All tradesmen have their own thoughts and opinions the above feedback from myself is mine.


tiler

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Well seeing as I'm a DIY person your comments are invaluable! Thanks for your help!

 

[Droopy]

If you are using NO MORE PLY you must use their adhesive, nt sure about the screws though.
The adhesive adds a lot of the strength to the board.
It expands under the board then hardens, very hard.

 

[Gazzer]

I am sure any manufacturer of these type of things will say that if you dont use their products as specified ie: adhesive and screws etc, then in case of failure dont complain to them.
IMO the adhesive sold by NMP is over priced and is my main reason for not using it that much.

 

[Droopy]

I am sure any manufacturer of these type of things will say that if you dont use their products as specified ie: adhesive and screws etc, then in case of failure dont complain to them.
IMO the adhesive sold by NMP is over priced and is my main reason for not using it that much.

The NMP adhesive is VERY different from NoMoreNails, or any panel adhesives.
As I said, it expands under the entire board, it verrrry sticky, and very, very hard.

That is why it only needs a few screws. The adhesive is a huge part of it's strength.

 

[Gazzer]

I never said it was like No more nails. But it is a polyurethene adhesive and similar adhesives can be found for a much cheaper price. As for expanding under the entire board...i doubt that but it will expand.
Also i found that if you follow the instructions to the letter then one tube wont go far. Dont forget they also state to use the adhesive along each joint.

I have no quibbles about the product, just the prices they charge for screws and adhesives.

 

[Droopy]

I never said it was like No more nails. But it is a polyurethene adhesive and similar adhesives can be found for a much cheaper price. As for expanding under the entire board...i doubt that but it will expand.
Also i found that if you follow the instructions to the letter then one tube wont go far. Dont forget they also state to use the adhesive along each joint.

I have no quibbles about the product, just the prices they charge for screws and adhesives.

I mentioned NMN because the robthebubble mentioned it in his original post.
Ad may have thought, after reading your post, it was ok to use.

If you can find another adhesive that does the same as NMP one cheaper then use it if you want.
i haven't though.

NMP isn't something i use regular anyway. I'm still in the 20th century with exterior grade ply myself.

 

[devonmark]

Afternoon,

Just wondering if I have to use the nomoreply branded adhesive and screws or is there a cheaper option out there? Can I use, say, no more nails adhesive and plasterboard screws?

Cheers

Rob

Yes you can use plasterboard screws and any of the adhesives like no more nails, with plasterboard screws you'll have to drill some partial holes for countersinking....I use these all the time, £4 or more for 200 of their own screws, plasterboard screws are 5000 for a couple of quid.

Mark.

 

[Stonebro]

NoMorePly is just about to get its BBA certificate (that is British Board of Agreement) , having to meet very stringent criteria, and will be joining Wedi and Hardibacker which are also BBA certified.

Engineered boards be they sandwich type (Wedi) or Cement fibre - NoMorePly, Hardibacker do offer better insulation than timber as well being as being far more dimensionally stable. Most good adhesive companies will guarantee their adhesives on these substrates.

As to using the glue and screws the glue is polyurethane thixotropic - it expands and spreads out under the board is incredibly strong and is part of the system. The screws are drill tipped so as not to split the board - the 8 screws per sheet are really there to hold the Nomoreply down whilst the adhesive goes off (5 Minutes). To be able to benefit from guarantees given on systems you need to adhere to the fixing specifications. All backer boards are unaffected by water and would not be affected by a leak.

6mm Plywood however is not recommended. The minimum as an overlay should be 18mm - 15mm if the floor is in good condition.

I have been fixing for 22 years, we pass out over £500,000 worth of Tile Fixing work a year, none of the ten or so tilers use plywood now.
I am now on with supplying my third block of apartments with NMP as flooring overlay.
It has also been specified by a retail chain who are installing showers in all of their shops so their staff can cycle to work (and shower when they get there).

 

[wetdec]

Interesting but arnt you David Goff the guy that owns the N*MorePl* site and imports it from Argentina.

If you are then its bound to be so so so good and thats a lovely advert for it


tiler

 

[Stonebro]

Yes I am David Goff, no secret.

I don't import Hardibacker, Wedi, Marmox, Beavaboard, Aquapanel, EziBoard all are tile backer boards and all are preferable to plywood. I am keen to promote the use of all Backerboards because I believe it is a step in the right direction, and you only have to read the numerous failures with timber overlays.

We put a lot of huge limestone/marble/ travertine floors down - I started to have failures with 18mm plywood (tiles cracking) , hand on heart I have not had a single failure with the engineered boards, and I have used all of the above.

There are lots of tilers using one engineered board or another, if you ask any of them they are converts and they wont go back to plywood

 

[wetdec]

But you import NMP you missed it out m8 😉 Nice Ezyboard plug there.


So you have a 5m2 bathroom floor 18mm weyroc over joists and you over board it with a substrate board what then happens to the joins between the boards you are surgesting as they are 600mm wide yes ?

tiler

 

[Stonebro]

I am a distributor not the importer, I am just keen for facts not surmisation or guesswork. To become a distributor as in most businesses you have to make a financial commitment, being a family business including my father, wife and now son, you have to be sure of a product before you commit financially.

From my hands on tiling background, I know there are problems with plywood, I did take a lot of convincing initially (not just NoMorePly but Wedi and Hardibacker and again with underfloor heating), I am sceptical of any new product claiming to replace years of traditional thinking. I am not a Chemist or an Engineer so the way I evaluate is usually hands on. All my initial jobs were small Bathroom floors small kitchens and I was impressed

If the weyroc runs one way generally the nomoreply are run at right angles. the joints on the nomoreply are glued with Mega adhesive. If you wish I can send you a sample. Mega is actually a Marine glue water and seawater proof. It is like a weld. The designer gives a 10 year guarantee on this NMP system - obviously with the waiver that fixing method is followed.

I applaud your scepticism, but don't knock it till you have tried it:yes:

David Goff

 

[robbo]

So, will Nomoreply give the same rigidity that 18mm ply would on the floor?