Poor Tiling Job? Advise please...

[vik987]

Sorry Vik, Your builder is 100% correct and you are wrong! These tiles can be fixed, but it would be far easier / cheaper to rip it all out and start again

If it can be done then I'm happy but whatever way they have to take costs on and most of the metal ones are scratched so how would be get round replacing them as they come in sheets ?

 

[Saltire69]

Disagree with you Charlie, how are u going to sand down all the addy at the back of the scratched mosaics to get them back flat. You'd be there all week. Plus take out grout round them and not damage the other mosaics.

 

[Alan M]

it proabably can be fixed one tile at a time but why waste all that time.
if the builder starts down that road it shows what a niave person they are. they think they can fix one or two and its 100%
to get more metal one they are going to have to buy all the sheets again anyway

i would get some post its and stick them where every issue is. even use different colours for each type of mistake.
id like to see the pic of that

 

[charlie1]

Disagree with you Charlie, how are u going to sand down all the addy at the back of the scratched mosaics to get them back flat. You'd be there all week. Plus take out grout round them and not damage the other mosaics.

my point being, it needs redone!

 

[vik987]

Does anyone on here live local to basildon Essex and would be willing to do a report/ quotation for me?
Mace contacted few tillers but they still get to get back to me to arrange a time they can not very positive I don't think...

 

[vik987]

7.1.9.1
Finished tile surfaces
The surface should be true such that, when checked with a 2 m
straightedge with 3 mm thick feet at each end, the straightedge
should not be obstructed by the tiles and no gap should be greater
than 6 mm.
There are permissible manufacturing tolerances for ceramic tiles
defined in BS EN 14411; certain types of tiles, e.g. extruded or large
format, might have permissible surface flatness irregularities that
cannot satisfactorily be accommodated within the surface flatness
tolerance permitted to the tile installer; this should be taken into
account when evaluating the achievable flatness of a wall floor tiling
installation.
NOTE Where adhesives are used, this degree of accuracy can be
achieved only when the background surface is equally true.

7.1.9.2
Across joints
There should be no appreciable difference in level across joints
(commonly called “lipping”) and the maximum deviation between
tile surfaces either side of a joint, including movement joints, should
be as follows.
a) Joints less than 6 mm wide, 1 mm.
b) Joints 6 mm or more wide, 2 mm.

Is someone able to point me in direction where this is stated online?

trying to find evidence to confirm this however cant find online as have to buy book for standards at £180!

Cant put this into a report without knowing for sure what im writting is true?

thanks

 

[One Day]

Sorry you won't find it online (unless you google "BS5385" and find it through file sharing - not that I am suggesting you do of course!)

My copy is legit, but copyright and watermarks forbid sharing.

 

[vik987]

Sorry you won't find it online (unless you google "BS5385" and find it through file sharing - not that I am suggesting you do of course!)

My copy is legit, but copyright and watermarks forbid sharing.

this is what i thought,

So if i quote this standards am i right in doing so with regards to the job i have had done? dont want it to be wrong incase goes to court

 

[One Day]

The quote is correct but be aware that BS5385 is industry guidance - not law.
It's something to work to but in reality, if any of us here were making 1mm lips across joints less than 6mm - we would not be working to a good standard.
0.2mm is poor, never mind 1mm!

 

[vik987]

The quote is correct but be aware that BS5385 is industry guidance - not law.
It's something to work to but in reality, if any of us here were making 1mm lips across joints less than 6mm - we would not be working to a good standard.
0.2mm is poor, never mind 1mm!

Agree!

The builders have said :

'With regards to the leveling of the tiles. BS 5385-3 states that a 2m straightedge should be used when trying to measure the level of the tiles. Any gap over 3mm is classed as unacceptable'

is what they state true or can i argue the point or am i having to accept this work they have done
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[One Day]

Quote:

7.1.9 Tolerances
7.1.9.1 Finished tile surfaces
The surface should be true such that, when checked with a 2 m
straightedge with 3 mm thick feet at each end, the straightedge
should not be obstructed by the tiles and no gap should be greater
than 6 mm.
There are permissible manufacturing tolerances for ceramic tiles
defined in BS EN 14411; certain types of tiles, e.g. extruded or large
format, might have permissible surface flatness irregularities that
cannot satisfactorily be accommodated within the surface flatness
tolerance permitted to the tile installer; this should be taken into
account when evaluating the achievable flatness of a wall floor tiling
installation.
NOTE Where adhesives are used, this degree of accuracy can be
achieved only when the background surface is equally true.
7.1.9.2 Across joints
There should be no appreciable difference in level across joints
(commonly called “lipping”) and the maximum deviation between
tile surfaces either side of a joint, including movement joints, should
be as follows.
a) Joints less than 6 mm wide, 1 mm.
b) Joints 6 mm or more wide, 2 mm.

End Quote.

Irrespective of the above, you have received poor, sub-standard workmanship!

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Looks like your builders' copy of BS5385 is somewhat out of date!

 

[beanz]

That's basically saying that the floor may not be totally flat, but there should still be no lippage. In other words, you're following the contours of the floor.

 

[One Day]

That's basically saying that the floor may not be totally flat, but there should still be no lippage. In other words, you're following the contours of the floor.

It's applicable to walls and floors.

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There's heaps of BS guidance on substrate prep too. Particularly with prep of substrates for mosaics.

 

[kilty55]

i would use the 1st port of call by taking photos of the job before it is removed as evidence as it simply looks like a pile of poo!! if it looks like that its wrong imo

the cuts are awful the mosaics are squint the grouting is poor never mind this straight edge and all is well the jobs awful

 

[beanz]

It's applicable to walls

Ah yeah, I know.. Forgot which thread I was in lol!?! Thought it was the dodgy floor!?!

 

[charlie1]

The quote is correct but be aware that BS5385 is industry guidance - not law.
It's something to work to but in reality, if any of us here were making 1mm lips across joints less than 6mm - we would not be working to a good standard.
0.2mm is poor, never mind 1mm!

don't want to hijack this thread but that really did wake me up! .2mm is "poor"

 

[ringw]

rip it out start again bill the builder end of , shoddy builders are the bain of my life

 

[SJPurdy]

You should be able to view copies of all the British Stds at your local main library. They may not have hard copies but will be able to view them online. Some libraries (eg worcestrershire) allow you to view them online at home when you have a library membership number. You can only read them at home so you can't print a copy but i think that in the library they may be able to produce a print out of relevant bits (they used to be able to photocopy when they had hard copies so i'm assuming this).
Steve

 

[BigDave]

Shocking workmanship there! I'm with the others I do hope this cowboy hasn't been paid, I recognise these tiles as well, metallic modular - north of £150 a Sqm. Speak to the company that carried out the work and see if they will refund the money for you to re-purchase the tiles and get a real tile fixer to sort this out for you, as again. Like the others have said this was done by a chancer.


The grout is what has scratched the metal on this particular mosaic it's a sandy floor grout that has been used not the required super fine one like for instance Mapei's Keracolour SF 0.

my heart goes out to you and others like you who have paid good money to have these improvements made to be left with expensive tiles that look like a pigs ear.

 

[stan1888]

Unfortunately some tilers are chancers !!!!

Kitchen company subcontracts work to fitter who in turn subcontracts to tiler etc. Usually the payment is down to the bone and they don't fix walls! Kitchen company blames fitter, they blame tiler, tiler doesn't care cause he/she's on a cheap price.

The people who suffer are the customers or good tilers who are trying to do things right !! Building trade is a rat race at times sadly !!!

Most tilers on here would have refused the job, unfortunately a lot of tilers don't.... so understand what charlie1 means !

 

[charlie1]

Unfortunately some tilers are chancers !!!!

Kitchen company subcontracts work to fitter who in turn subcontracts to tiler etc. Usually the payment is down to the bone and they don't fix walls! Kitchen company blames fitter, they blame tiler, tiler doesn't care cause he/she's on a cheap price.

The people who suffer are the customers or good tilers who are trying to do things right !! Building trade is a rat race at times sadly !!!

Most tilers on here would have refused the job, unfortunately a lot of tilers don't.... so understand what charlie1 means !

hi Stan,what do you not understand,i shall try my best to clarify

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hi Stan,what do you not understand,i shall try my best to clarify

sorry mate,just re read ...ooops