Porcelain floor tiles direct to screed on wet UFH without DITRA

[ironmonkey]

it seems to me your still not happy with your tiler for not fitting a decoupling mat, even though he has saved you hundreds of pounds, you can't win with some customers!

im not saying i am unhappy with my tiler... im simply saying i might have preferred to lay ditra for extra peace of mind to better handle any movement or cracks that may (or may not) develop over the months/years ahead is all.

@RayTheTiler has said he would have suggested to us Ditra if it was his job so im not sure as to how you think what i said was unreasonable.

That said with all the feedback i have got from the pros to my thread has put my mind at ease and i am appreciative for the input.

 

[Tony_C]

I'd rather have customers like you that are open and willing to these products than the ones that are not wanting to spend it when they are actually required.

As for screwing folk out of money is it really a screw over when the mat is physically there and the labour has been provided to install it? What have they been screwed out over? Hardly a great money making scheme installing a mat. Isn't a great earner for me anyway 🤷‍♂️

 

[J Sid]

I'd rather have customers like you that are open and willing to these products than the ones that are not wanting to spend it when they are actually required.

As for screwing folk out of money is it really a screw over when the mat is physically there and the labour has been provided to install it? What have they been screwed out over? Hardly a great money making scheme installing a mat. Isn't a great earner for me anyway 🤷‍♂️

Very good earner for me 😃

 

[Tony_C]

Very good earner for me 😃

Perhaps on large floors, I wouldn't class matting a 24 meter floor a great earner. I'd sooner rather crack on with the tiling.

Perhaps it's your high rates that are leading to folk feeling screwed over on matting 🤣

 

[Dumbo]

I've just fitted mat supplied by the customer , adhesive supplied by customer , £5 psm labour , not really going to be bothering Rothschild any time soon . But I believe in belt a braces approach .

 

[Andy Allen]

I'd rather have customers like you that are open and willing to these products than the ones that are not wanting to spend it when they are actually required.

As for screwing folk out of money is it really a screw over when the mat is physically there and the labour has been provided to install it? What have they been screwed out over? Hardly a great money making scheme installing a mat. Isn't a great earner for me anyway 🤷‍♂️

bit it isn't needed, in this situation is it...?
99% of tilers on this thread have said it isn't needed, or are they all wrong..?
if your on about different makes of tiles, then this isn't what this thread is about, is it.
some tilers do screw customers over using ditra with PORCELAIN TILES when it's not necessary.
and it's not just the fitting cost, you have the cost of the mat, and the adhesive, you may not make much out of it but the customer is still getting screwed for the extra cost.

 

[Tony_C]

No it isn't NEEDED with the PORCELAIN TILES however i'd class being screwed over as being charged for something that isn't there or hadn't been done, or at an inflated price even, the mat is still physically there. The customer said in passing he would have still have perhaps liked the mat now he knows about it and still got jumped on about money saving, it's just the flip side we get when trying to tell people to use mat, for the sake of helping prevent any issues it will only be x amount to help protect your tiles, it's now just the customer saying it and now us.

In this exact situation i didn't say it was needed nor did i say everyone was wrong, if like in this situation ( albeit hindsight now) the customer had suggested he wanted matting before i'd still happily fit it not thinking i was screwing them over because its not needed with PORCELAIN TILES, they aren't being screwed when it's something they have given the option to pay for and chosen it. That's my point

 

[J Sid]

I'd be interested to know if the customer would still want it and be happy to pay the £25 to £30 m2 extra

 

[Tony_C]

The op here has already said in hindsight he would have fitted it for belts and braces approach, i'm just assuming they looked at the product and seen the cost of it and it wasn't an issue to them.

 

[Huddersfield Tiling]

Sounds like the tiler did the right thing. My only question would be on incorporated movement joints across the floor. Was this done, as if not, a heated floor can certainly cause fractures?