Porcelain Tiles come away from Adhesive after 7 years

[Perry]

I think there were problems with x7R. Also how thick was the adhesive it possibly thicker than recommended 6mm, which would shrink and crack.

 

[Dumbo]

Looking at the crazing in the adhesive . As @Localtiler said thermal , no one is going to guarantee that . Yes he should of back buttered but the tiler and the adhesive company will get out on thermal shock .

 

[J Sid]

problem was with Ardex 7001 or the 6001. Wasn't suitable porcelain and that was about 12 years ago.

 

[Andy Rhodes]

Ardex x7R the bedding thickness is 1-6mm

 

[J Sid]

but was it that 7 years ago ?

 

[Andy Rhodes]

Again it's from there data sheets, so as you've point out before unless they've got the bags they used originally can't ask the question sorry

 

[Perry]

Yes it was and I know a few contractors that were having problems with it. But I don,t think any of the big boys would admit anything was wrong. But as I never used it its only word of mouth. But you wouldn't have a leg to stand on as only max 6mm deep, as most adhesives were the same. As us old ones would know. And a lot still are.

 

[Andy Rhodes]

Not use Ardex for a long time was also i found a bit more expensive than Bal but stopped using that to, Use Weber now but before you all jump down my throat about Weber we had that discussion the other week, using Tile master on my son's lounge floor in the coming weeks so might be changing adhesive again if i like it

 

[Bill]

problem was with Ardex 7001 or the 6001. Wasn't suitable porcelain and that was about 12 years ago.

or slate...... I had a failure with slate, bleeding nightmare I had with Ardex

 

[widler]

Has anyone taken a tile up which has been back skimmed, I’ve take a row up last year, which I laid about 6 years ago, the tiles came up clean on the back (not full tiles ,in bits )
Really weird , as I most defo without doubt back buttered .
Anyway back to thread, I’ve no idea , it could be owt, the weather we have had, being in a Conservatory, hot going to really cold and visa versa.
Is the rest of the rooms solid, have they UFH

 

[One Day]

Has anyone taken a tile up which has been back skimmed, I’ve take a row up last year, which I laid about 6 years ago, the tiles came up clean on the back (not full tiles ,in bits )
Really weird , as I most defo without doubt back buttered .
Anyway back to thread, I’ve no idea , it could be owt, the weather we have had, being in a Conservatory, hot going to really cold and visa versa.
Is the rest of the rooms solid, have they UFH

I heard from Italy that Fila are launching a ready-diluted detergent spray for cleaning off the back of large format porcelain, which has been de-bonding from adhesive due to "contamination" on the otherwise very clean backs.
Maybe some sort of contamination was on your porcelain?
Just a thought, in light of what I heard...

 

[Qwerty]

Happened to me with some cheap porc a few years ago. I remember they were dusty as hell but I wiped off and back skimmed. 2 years after they were laid probably 60% came up clean on the back, in bits but free from adhesive.

 

[acaciaguy]

How many jobs end up failing for one reason or another? Especially after 5-10 years? How common an occurance is it.

 

[widler]

How many jobs end up failing for one reason or another? Especially after 5-10 years? How common an occurance is it.

Ive not had one thats failed.
But i think with the arrival of UFH to the masses , we seem to be seeing a lot more failures

 

[acaciaguy]

I agree. What should the life span be of tiles over ufc?