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off to speak to the chap in charge of these apartments ive been asked to provde an estimate for.

2 rooms need tiling in the apartment, bathroom and wet room, toilet and sinks are boxed in in each room, total area with 10% added for cuts is 26m2, 18.5m2 walls, 7.5m2 floors

i was thinking £460 for labour based on £18 per m2, but that price is including the 10% wastage for cuts.. so thought £400 for labour, does this seem fair? all porcelain tailes and a quick add up came to £197 for the materials, tho that was with topps and it looks like i may be purchasing the tiles and adhesives from tile town for this job.

i dont want to charge too much as i could really do with tiling all 24 of the apartments naturally!
 
hmm what would you charge? i know its on the cheap side.. but if i could get these jobs id be more than happy to do them, all floors are concrete, so no messing about with ply, and im earning £400 a month through a crap supermarket job anyway :mad2:
 
I don't know what the prices round your way are like, but for that I would be charging about £550 for the labour. I would be looking at 3 and a half possibly 4 days work there. It sounds cheap to me, but i don't know what its like in your area. Its also a consideration that there is the possiblity of repeat business.

You know how much your work is worth. If your happy with your price and its reasonable to you, then go for it. That also includes times where the customer thinks its expensive
 
I don't know what the prices round your way are like, but for that I would be charging about £550 for the labour. I would be looking at 3 and a half possibly 4 days work there. It sounds cheap to me, but i don't know what its like in your area. Its also a consideration that there is the possiblity of repeat business.

You know how much your work is worth. If your happy with your price and its reasonable to you, then go for it. That also includes times where the customer thinks its expensive

Good points there! I would have been £650 labour but then i`m only part time and in the fortunate position of being able to be choosy. Whatever you`re happy with mate!

Turkish
 
to be hoinest ive kinda of worked things aroudn what the property developers budget is for each apartment, tho we all know they go over so i think im gonna have to stick to my guns and keep with my £18 per m2, as theres a good chance ill be kept on for the rest of the project, as for dommestic work ill be charging £20 per m2, will be my first paying jobs aswell
 
to be hoinest ive kinda of worked things aroudn what the property developers budget is for each apartment, tho we all know they go over so i think im gonna have to stick to my guns and keep with my £18 per m2, as theres a good chance ill be kept on for the rest of the project, as for dommestic work ill be charging £20 per m2, will be my first paying jobs aswell

Best of luck mate. As I said, the important thing is that you feel you are happy with the price you are charging
 
i think it will probably take me a few days to complete but thweres no real rush for them either which is kind of in my favour, just going to measure up and check it all out and setting up business and trade accounts have boosted my confidence massively, for me this appartment will be another notch on the experience stick, the second one that i hear will need doing too will be another notch and ive been asked to give a quote for the main entrance hallway to the lift area, so with those 3 jobs under my belt i should be more than happy to undertake more challenges and seek more work further afield, tho id still happliy do these jobs for the same price for the time being, helps being 23 with no ties and no bills tho i guess!, after that i'll be scrapping the cheap labour!
 
I would look at it this way if it were me.

Am i happy to go in cheap, but have the possibility of 24? other jobs lined up on the basis of being a bit cheaper?

Would i be turning down 24 better paid jobs to do these ones?

Im I going to give myself oppertunity to gain 24 jobs worth of experience which i may not get in the same time scale if i look for the work else where?

Based on the above factors am i happy to work for £18/m2?

Will doing the 24 jobs build my portfolio and reputation?

From reading your posts mate regarding this i think you've probably already made your mind up, go for it mate, fortune favours the brave and all that.

If you do get the work... which i think given the attitude you seem to be approching it with you probably will then i genuinley wish you the best of luck.

Just my inexperienced 2p's worth mate. :thumbsup:

Oli
 
haha cheers oli! im gonna stick with my £460 and see how i get on, if i get it i get it if i dont, ill provide more bloomin tile samples till i get it! ill let you all know how i get one :grin:
 
Just one thing .....as a property developer .....how's he going to pay? Having worked for a developer in the past they tend to 'Tax you at source' like the old CIS system. Nowadays you don't need a card just a Unique Tax Code number that you apply for.
Also it's nice to 'have a carrot dangled at you but can you be guarentted of the future work?
I would look at pricing the first job correctly with the option of offering a discount on the remaining apartments. Developers love a discount. Has he given you a budget to work to? If not ask.
Good luck
 
I know this is a hard question as you have not done a propper tiling job yet, but how long are you thinking each apartment will take you to complete ?
 
about 4 to 5 days
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Just one thing .....as a property developer .....how's he going to pay? Having worked for a developer in the past they tend to 'Tax you at source' like the old CIS system. Nowadays you don't need a card just a Unique Tax Code number that you apply for.
Also it's nice to 'have a carrot dangled at you but can you be guarentted of the future work?
I would look at pricing the first job correctly with the option of offering a discount on the remaining apartments. Developers love a discount. Has he given you a budget to work to? If not ask.
Good luck

ive registered as self employed and my unique tax code wont be available for another 3 or 4 weeks, so ill have to be charged emergency tax and claim the difference back if i start the job before the tax can be set up properly, and their budget for each appartment is £900 per apartment, i calculate with my labour and materials and average price for the tile range their after comes in at £1,041, i know theres no guaruntee for the work but to be honest id still do the job for £100 as im after the experience to build up my confidence more
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I know this is a hard question as you have not done a propper tiling job yet, but how long are you thinking each apartment will take you to complete ?

5 days probably
 
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No such thing as "emergency tax" in the CIS scheme, only 2 rates, registered rate of 20% or unregistered at 30%. Once it is deducted there is no "claiming it back", you have to wait until you have submitted your year end tax return.

You will probably find that by the time you have completed the work and issued your first invoice your UTR will be with you.

Also, as a first job, I bet it takes you more than 5 days!

Best of luck, I hope you get it.
 
ah well 30% is what i meant then:thumbsup:
top be honest i wont be able to start the job for a couple of weeks anyway so hopefully my UTR will be with me and ready to use.

it might take me more than 5 days, ah well, time will tell
 
Whatever time it takes you Spoon, the experiance of it is what counts for now, not the money, and you'll most probably find as you go through from apartment to apartment you'll end up knocking a couple of days off each apartment by the time you get to the 6th or 7th one anyway.

How come you are supplying tiles and materials though, as developers generally buy these in and get their own discounts and they only need to source labour for the fitting ?

Also, how did you come across this job ? , you know the developers or something ?
 
hi I would be charging £30 m2 for porce take it or leave it yes there is a chance off 24 more jobs or is they , dont sell ya self cheep , i charge £130 per day if it locial if not then they coff up for the petrol
 
only the floor tiles are porcelain, wall tiles are ceramics, tho i was under the impression they were all porcelain.

an old mate of mine works for the company as a quantity surveyor, he basically asked me to come and measure up and give a quote, his boss doesnt know he knows me and its all kept proffesional, they thought about buying in their own materials but the guy in charge doesnt seem to want the hassle of having to go out looking for tiles and deciding which to have, so hes after a tiler who can do all the work for him i guess!

well anyway, i went and spoke to them and hes impressed with my efforts, and pretty much gave me the job straight away for this particular apparment that needs doing, so all being well ill get the rest of them too :yes: just provided them with my level 2 aset certificate which i obtained from north east tile training and ill also be providing them with a reference :thumbsup:
 
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So they know your a new guy, they know it's your first job or not ?

So if your supplying tiles, they said roughly what they want then ?
 
no they dont think im new and dont think its my first job, they said they want tiles around the £15m2 range
 
hmm feels like it at the mo, cant say ill be interested in shopping for tiles for others anytime soon, least it'll get the ball rolling :yes:
 
Yeah, they sound a bit wierd not giving you any specs, just how much they want to spend on them :lol:
 
well i had more specs than that... they wanted tiles similar to these
Kitchen015.jpg

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they also want me to get a price for using them same tiles
 
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even better if he made his mind up and told me which tiles to put where
 
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ya still looking at £30 m2 ceramic or porce ask the guys on here what they charge , ya got to ask your self how many m2 you can lay in a day , can you make a profit, ie more then your day rate , are you charging them for the shopping of the tiles (its your time) time is money ,
Best of luck with the job
 
If you do get the job mate, you'll be able to buy that last square meter of carpet tiles, missing from your picture :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
mr spoon i do alot of commercial work and i do walls for 18 m2 i did try 20 but they werent havin it depends where in the country u are the building firm who i do work for think im expensive but caus they know im a decent tiler.

my advice is stay at 18m2 if they like your work then push for more money trust me if they dont like you they ll kick you off the job

start at 18 then try for more worth a try
 
cheers LM, im sticking with my £18m2, im meeting up with their buyer on monday to sort out which tiles they want and to give a quote for a kitchen splashback


OLI... no need for the carpet tiles, they want me to tile it properly as its the entrance to the showflat
 

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