Rip out bathroom, replace & re tile quote help please Page: 2

[infidel]

What might people charge for the following job.

-Rip out bath, basin, toilet
-Remove tiles 10 sq m
-Fit new shower tray (different position than existing waste etc), new basin (different position) & new toilet (re position)
-Run new pipework for shower, basin, toilet
-Tank shower area
-Fit new ceramic tiles to wall 13 sq m (1 window)
-Fit new electric shower to existing water & electric supply
-Adhesive, grout, tanking supplied by me

Any help appreciated

 

[macten]

I believe it's ok for us to do the plumbing in existing bathrooms - we need proper quals for new builds and extensions though

 

[GatesheadCol]

Sibs Mate,

Replacing a shower like for like is fine if your a DIY'er and nothing against it.

However you may want to check as showers these days MUST be connected to an RCD. And the wire neededf for showers now is thicker than 10 years ago so the wire in there might not be thick enough.

An electrician would look at the job and using the new regs decide if the circuit needed upgrading etc.

Ideally it should be 10mm although apparently you an get away with 6mm if its plastered in but dont take my word for it.

Had a customer last week who had replaced a shower that had been in 20 years or so.

Burnt the wire through the wall and fried the circuit board.

The wire was socket wire!!



Just a few thoughts to bear in mind.

 

[macten]

Infidel.
If it's anything like my first job then charge royally!
Might be A LOT of work involved.
Estimates I had for thAT KIND OF JOB WAS 3.5 - 6k including mats (not tiles)

 

[sibs]

Yes will deff check that electric shower has its own circuit and hence its own fuse/rcd and I will also be sure to check for the correct size cable an if in any doubt will advise accordingly. I do know that it is against the law for me to put a more powerful shower in to replace an existing electric one so shan't be doing that. Great post GatesheadCol

 

[protilers]

personally, I hate when people talk money....(un professional)
however if you are qualified to do all the trades that are required,....
why are you asking about pricing.....as a time served professional you have had life experiences that tell you to price £........... plus 10% for errors........?

 

[GatesheadCol]

You might find this useful Sibs mate.

You will know if its 10mm wire cos its like trying to bend steel!!

If its not 10 mm wire and the shower is above 7.5kw it should have the wire upgraded. And lets face it, there arent many showers out there less than 7.5kw these days.

If in doubt calll someone out. Cos the buck and liability will stop with you.

Typical cable sizes and protection device for different sized showers are:
Maximum Shower Rating (kW)Maximum load (A) Recommended Minimum Cable Size
(Twin core and earth mm²) Maximum size of Protective Device (A) 6.0 26 6 32 6.5 29 6 32 7.0 31 6 32 7.5 33 10 40 8.0 35 10 40 8.5 37 10 40 9.0 39 10 40 9.5 42 10 4510.0 44 10 4510.5 46 16 5011.0 48 16 50

Sorry table hasnt worked use the link instead
http://www.diydata.com/plumbing/showers/electric_shower.php

 

[frogeye]

My brother and I rewired my house 15 years ago, all to regs and it was accepted. I am now limited to adding a spur, changing a socket and few other bits and bobs. I was only aware that you couldn't diy a wood burner and a flue when I looked into getting one - didn't know you had to be Corgi too!

I too would urge a note of caution on installing one of the new high power showers to old wiring. I think you could argue ( how well I don't know) that it was okay to fit a shower in your own home to old wiring, but I don't see the coroner buying it if a job for a paying customer goes wrong.

In my previous job I witnessed the outcome of some diy efforts often with tragic results

I can see the need to clamp down on some areas of diy if it's a safety matter, but as I said earlier. the minute they bring in H & S working at height regs for private dwellings will be a move to far.
Mind you I bet old Rod Hull wished it had been illegal to climb a ladder above 10' - poor old Emu.

frogeye

 

[IvegotsTILE]

I do work as a roofer to fill in when the tiling is slow,I don't think anyone without any training should be allowed(even on their own roof)to go onto their roof to attempt to fix a problem,if you don't know the correct places to stand your in for a world of pain.
Agree with you though frogeye the goverment is probably going overboard in some respects.

 

[tabs]

To work/install wood burning stoves and flues the regulatry body is HETAS.

New Bathroom installations are notifiable under building regs not that many do notify!

Also with regard to the shower , I would not touch it with a barge pole . I have part p limited scope so technically am qualified to do it but officially I am not as I haven't spent the £500 on meters to test out and extra subs to corgi or niceic to get registered. The point is it might be easy to wire up to whats there but even if its 10mm you probably don't know how or have the equiipment to test the wiring which has to be done - eg: impedance, reverse polarity etc etc. Leave it well alone mate.