Scotland to be independent or not?

[Dan]

I know we've got a bunch of Scottish lads on here. So what's your view on this Scotland becoming independent thing?

Are you up for it or would your prefer to stay part of the UK?

My view is if Scotland is to become independent, then they need to be fully independent and not have tax given by Westminster in any shape or form. I think Scotland could stand it's own ground too to be honest. Energy seems to be a nice income for Scotland and if sold to the rest of the UK could sustain itself.

Can't see any cons to the argument to be honest either.

I think we should even let London become it's own country too haha - Olympic Stadium, Millenium Dome, High Speed Shuttle, what else are the rest of the UK spending on that they never benefit from?!?!?!?

Anything norf of watford should be England, London should be United State of London, and Scotland should do whatever they think is best. :lol:

 

[Deleted member 9966]

I don't mind one way or another. I'll still visit Scotland when I get the chance. I'll even get a passport if that's what they require. Might make for an interesting employment situation as my company is owned by a Scottish family but their head office is now in London.....

 

[nybor62]

my eldest lad lives in scotland , and i think it will be a massive mistake to go it alone
especially if they adopt the euro

 

[Stewart]

Would be a huge mistake IMO............ Scotland can't afford to without huge subsidies from England and anyone that thinks they can are delusional. Alex Smarmond is going for the "braveheart" vote and will target the feckless and incompetent that aren't interested in voting to try and get it passed. If it does go through, then we'll be off to OZ or Canada within six months!

 

[Perry]

If they go independent we will have to send them all back and Jamie you will have have your own forum :ban:

 

[Gall.B]

I am personally for it and think its the best thing for Scotland.

But lets get one thing straight guys the misconception that Scotland lives on handouts and subsidy is outdated propo ganda and a myth!
Our country contributes to the treasury in ONE year than it recives in twenty FACT.

I understand this is a very thorny issue at present and any body spouting inacurate statements should make sure they do there reaearch welL, how many do you know of that are oil rich and become poorer in the process.

The majority of my friend, family and workmates are all for it and are sick of being branded the poor relation.

 

[widler]

Don't bother me, i always think of england, scotland wales and Ireland as separate anyhow, u know a english man is english,scotsman is Scottish and so on .



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[Gall.B]

To turn this thing on its head if the folk living in England had a vote on this referendum, what way would you vote?

Energy aside what is the UK's biggest export at present.

If the the Union is broken im moving to another former colony of the Empire, still on the floor laughing :lol:

 

[Deleted member 9966]

if England held a referendum about becoming independent, I'd move to Scotland or Wales :lol:

 

[Mike]

if England held a referendum about becoming independent, I'd move to Scotland or Wales :lol:

they may be independant soon, wales are talking about leaving too then n. ireland may join too. rats deserting the sinking ship springs to mind :lol:

 

[Gall.B]

they may be independant soon, wales are talking about leaving too then n. ireland may join too. rats deserting the sinking ship springs to mind :lol:

How can colonised Nations taken by force Desert?

On that logic are the people of the U.S., South Africa, India, Australia, Canada, Irish Republic etc all rats?

Will be intresting to see how the Falklands situation develops too.

 

[kendo1]

Can't say I'm bothered one way or the other.
There are pros and cons for both sides.

 

[John Benton]

A recent survey showed that more English want them to be independent than the Scots themselves. They know which side their bread is buttered on . Also, who rescued their largest employer, RBS? And then you've got the issue of how much they would owe to start with as their percentage of the national debt! They'd end up like Rangers within a very short space of time.

As my mate always says, Scotland, the country that bankrupted the toothfairy. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gall.B]

A recent survey showed that more English want them to be independent than the Scots themselves. They know which side their bread is buttered on . Also, who rescued their largest employer, RBS? And then you've got the issue of how much they would owe to start with as their percentage of the national debt! They'd end up like Rangers within a very short space of time.

As my mate always says, Scotland, the country that bankrupted the toothfairy. :smilewinkgrin:

Not one piece of truth in any of that John more like a fairy tale but a suppose if you get your info from your mate

We could pay our share of RBS and still be in the black, before what you say about the hand that feeds you, if you bother to look in to the facts instead of letting your mate let you look a fool might be wise. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[John Benton]

Not one piece of truth in any of that John more like a fairy tale but a suppose if you get your info from your mate

We could pay our share of RBS and still be in the black, before what you say about the hand that feeds you, if you bother to look in to the facts instead of letting your mate let you look a fool might be wise. :smilewinkgrin:

Britain divided over Scottish independence - Telegraph

There's your fact!!!


The toothfairy bit refers to the lack of teeth some people may have in Scotland therefore bankrupting the toothfairy. That bit was the joke.

 

[Gall.B]

http://endlondonrule.blogspot.com/2012/02/truth-would-independent-scotland-be.ht

How ironic the crest of a bankrupt club as your avatar John.

As everybody knows polls mean nothing, just look at what the polls predicted up here in May, Then the NATIONALIST party trounced everybody.

There is NO facts in your article John only propoganda and speculation.

 

[Gall.B]

Stereo typing John, very clever.

I nearly choked on my deepfried mars bar and ruined ma kilt!

 

[Stef]

I dont think Scotland should go independent, I think Mr Salmonds head is in cloud cuckoo land.

Im sick of this feeling that we get more than our fair share though, We could stand alone quite easily with all the oil we could sell to England.

We will be selling England water soon enough.

I see David Cameron is offering "Sweeteners" to "us" Scots now if we reject independence.

I think he is a muppet just like Alex Salmond, I dont think it will matter what ever happens as it wont make any difference to the common working man.

 

[Spud]

I am personally for it and think its the best thing for Scotland.

But lets get one thing straight guys the misconception that Scotland lives on handouts and subsidy is outdated propo ganda and a myth!
Our country contributes to the treasury in ONE year than it recives in twenty FACT.

I understand this is a very thorny issue at present and any body spouting inacurate statements should make sure they do there reaearch welL, how many do you know of that are oil rich and become poorer in the process.

The majority of my friend, family and workmates are all for it and are sick of being branded the poor relation.

Weapons ,we have the second biggest arms industry in the world and are the 6th largest manufacturing ecconomy ,I love scotland and the scottish ,as a union we are all stronger and its a shame that there are scots who feel that they would be better on their own but if thats how the majority of scots feel then go for it but both countries will suffer badly if we do split the union

 

[Gall.B]

I dont think Scotland should go independent, I think Mr Salmonds head is in cloud cuckoo land.

Im sick of this feeling that we get more than our fair share though, We could stand alone quite easily with all the oil we could sell to England.

We will be selling England water soon enough.


Fair do's Steff, if they only knew how much we payed for and more, redfaces the lot of them the truth is slowly coming out.
Have they never wondered why westminster is desperatley hanging on to the Union if we are such a burden.

Not Ecks biggest fan but he has done some job given his hands are halfway up his back free prescriptions, free school meals, no tution fees etc..... Oh and the SNP govement have not or will not enter in to an ilegal war!

 

[kendo1]

I wonder when deep sea drilling will commence off the Shetlands?
Will they ask for independance from Scotland?

 

[John Benton]

http://endlondonrule.blogspot.com/2012/02/truth-would-independent-scotland-be.ht

How ironic the crest of a bankrupt club as your avatar John.

As everybody knows polls mean nothing, just look at what the polls predicted up here in May, Then the NATIONALIST party trounced everybody.

There is NO facts in your article John only propoganda and speculation.

TBH I don't care cos it won't affect me either way. I love Scotland, worked there a long time ago, Falkirk, Ayr, Aberdeen, Perth :smilewinkgrin:

Oh And I think you'll find that Leeds WERE in administration but the wonderful Mr Bates has managed to steer us out of that hole.

 

[Gall.B]

Seeing as the folk of Shetland benefit already from the oil industry and dont appear to seek inependance and having worked in Lerwick for a spell I very much doubt it Kendo, think the drilling in South America is a tad more contreversial.

Its not just about oil either http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16139924 or money for that matter.

 

[kendo1]

The Falklands?

 

[Gall.B]

Yup,Every Empire eventually fails, that will be another 1000 lives lost all for the sake of black gold.

 

[user123]

Wow, interesting reading. I don't understand enough about the difference independence would make in real terms to the Scottish people, but I have HUGE respect for the Scottish abilities, I have many friends up there, and all of them, without fail, are smart, quick, very realistic and very positive. The educational system used to be and still might be loads better than the English one, there is a higher standard of education in general. If the Scottish want independence, I think they can do whatever they like and succeed, the grit is there.

BUT, why is no-one, as far as I can tell, wondering why it has come to this point? Personally I feel it has more to do with the point Dan made, politics made in London firmly favouring the South, I'm quite sure if the North of England had the choice of indepence they would have gone for it ages ago. When H and I were teaching up near Edinburgh a few years back there was a group of middle aged women having a coffee morning at the same community centre, and as I went in the kitchen to set up tea etc for our lunch break I overheard them talk, these 15 or so women, and I was blown away with respect. They were handling these cakes and sandwhiches and all the while were talking about finance, about best investment options, interest rates, the pros and cons of buying property, I felt I had walked into some sort of financiers symposium.

I asked one of them who they were, and the reply was just a bunch of housewifes and retired women who meet up once a fortnight. There was no moaning, no blaming the government, just an attitude, this is where we are, what can we do to improve our lot. They made me proud to be a woman, and boy did I understand why our Scottish club teachers are so active up there, so organised, very hands on. Don't underestimate the Scots, me thinks, great folk.

 

[kendo1]

As the Australian said...
"Fight and you may die. Run and you will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here as young men and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they will never take our freedom!”

 

[user123]

As the Australian said...
"Fight and you may die. Run and you will live at least awhile. And dying in your bed many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here as young men and tell our enemies that they may take our lives but they will never take our freedom!”

Aah, freedom, Ken... the essence of which is a whole other kettle of fish though, isn't it? Freedom, the real sense of freedom, can only come from within the individual after all. Will the Scottish folk feel freer with independence or just smaller, restricted? That will depend on the individual's attitude to life and to how much power any government should really have over daily attitudes. And when you look at daily attitudes that in the end make up our quality of life, governments, in the (more or less) democratic West, have very little to do with that.

 

[Gall.B]

Great post Gisela as usual very well put.

There are perhaps many reasons its got to this point, as mentioned Scotland is or should be rich, our culture language indiginous people where all but wiped out by the Empire (as of yet no apology) We are always the last when the cream is shared out (even behin the North of England) and have no voice in Europe or Internationaly, our country is a nuclear dumping ground, no control over our own affairs and I think people have genuinely had enough of sending its young to the front line of ilegal wars.

Your right we are a proud folk with true grit and will not stand for any less than we deservre, that seems to be sinking in with Mr C judging by the whistle stop tour porridge eating and nervous interview I just watched on the local news a diffrent Tory attitude from 15yrs ago.

 

[kendo1]

I'm just putting the cat among the pigeons.

 

[hillhead]

There's a lot of people over this side of the sea not happy about this, Scotland seeking independence from the union.. tut tut.lol.