shower tray tiling

[billy whizz]

hello - ive put up 38mm battons up agaist the two walls, screwed in aquapael boards, sealled the joints with aqua tape and bal whitestar adhesive...my question is do i tile the walls first and then fit the shower tray/shower eclosure, or do i fit the shower tray/enclosure, and then tile around them....just had differing views???????

 

[Olz]

Tray then tile


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[kilty55]

Re: shower tray tilig

most trays are fitted 1st however there a re a few out there that stipulate they must be fitted after tiling just check what one you have got

 

[Perry]

Re: shower tray tilig

Tile first before you fit the enclosure

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Welcome - I'd check your adhesive choice first. Then how straight and square the sides of the tray are. It would be 'normal' to fit the tray and then tile, but it could be the other way.

 

[Muse2k8]

Depends on a few things really. Latest job I did I was better off tiling first and then fitting the tray. Apart from an annoying curve in the wall everything was square enough to do so. Although in other cases it's better to fit the tray first

 

[BARRONBATHROOMS]

Always read mi's of shower enclosure first. Had one enclosure that I received after I had fitted tray and tiles that required walls to be tiled first costly mistake for me. Always get fittings before I start now!

 

[billy whizz]

yes that how im gonna tile my shower, the walls are flat and square as its a new build bathroom, i already have a shower fitted fine, but walls are gettig damp behind the tiles due to not preparig it properly in the first place, im gonna add battons and attach aquapael boards 2.4mx900x12.5 from floor to ceiling, tile the shower cubicle then fit the tray/shower closure etc...its a really good installation that i did about 5 years ago but sadely didnt prepare the walls properly hence the need to remove the entire shower enclosure/tray, remove the tiles and fix battons...using bal whitstar adhesive, aqua panel tape..seal joints and tile over the booards..

 

[Perry]

yes that how im gonna tile my shower, the walls are flat and square as its a new build bathroom, i already have a shower fitted fine, but walls are gettig damp behind the tiles due to not preparig it properly in the first place, im gonna add battons and attach aquapael boards 2.4mx900x12.5 from floor to ceiling, tile the shower cubicle then fit the tray/shower closure etc...its a really good installation that i did about 5 years ago but sadely didnt prepare the walls properly hence the need to remove the entire shower enclosure/tray, remove the tiles and fix battons...using bal whitstar adhesive, aqua panel tape..seal joints and tile over the booards..

As Andy said aqua boards are not waterproof will have to be tanked

 

[billy whizz]

i meant aquapanels m8....like HEREhttp://www.wickes.co.uk/invt/220561 .not boards

 

[True Tiling]

Always fit shower tray first. The plumber should have known dimensions and fitted it with a solid seal to the aqua panel to seal wall to tray. The tilers job is to tile near to the tray leaving a 4 mm movement joint between the tray and tile. This allows for a movement bead of silicone between the two different backgrounds which will move in extremes. It's the first defence against leaking. Then it's up to the plumbers work on the tray installation.

 

[True Tiling]

That might have sounded confusing:
Fit tray
Fit bath
Seal (plumber)
Tile
Second Plumber fix (taps etc.)
SIMPLES!

 

[Muse2k8]

Some shower trays do specifically require you to tile first though so ensure you read the instructions. Though as TT said you get a better seal by fitting first.

 

[billy whizz]

That might have sounded confusing:
Fit tray
Fit bath
Seal (plumber)
Tile
Second Plumber fix (taps etc.)
SIMPLES!

lol..yeah was wondering what you meant...so in this order

1. fit aquapaels to walls
2 fit tray to aquapaels
3 seal tray against aquapaels
4 fit tiles leavig a 4mm gap between tile and tray
5 seal gap between tile and tray with silicone sealant
6 fit the rest of the plumbing in the shower cubicle (ie shower head/thermostatic bar shower etc)

by the way im gonna use the same shower tray, nothing wrong with it, its one of those 900mm x 900mm offset shape type with a viagara frameless doors thats made by jacuzzi uk, dont make them anymore..

 

[AliGage]

the walls are flat and square as its a new build bathroom.

I very much doubt it. Certainly on a new build. But generally it's tray in first, tile and then enclosure. Even if your walls were 100% perfect there's many other things to consider. Warps in your tiles, warps in the moulding of the tray etc.

I've never come across a tray or enclosure that suggests or instructs doing it any other way.

 

[billy whizz]

Lol....cheers...ill fit the tray first..

 

[Perry]

i meant aquapanels m8....like HEREAquapanel Backing Board 1200x900x12.5mm - Plasterboard - Plastering -Building Materials - Wickes .not boards

Yes they are not waterproof I would go for plasterboard and tank it or use waterproof backer boards like marmox a little trick by aquapanel make you believe they are waterproof even on there website they tell you they are but they are not ring them and they say you have to tank them to make them waterproof

 

[billy whizz]

yes i know nothing is waterproof, but these were recommemeded by lots of people even on other forums, they basically dont disintergrate, still stay strong even when wet, been advised no tanking is necesaary, however if i did tank the aquapanels how would the adhesive for the tiles stick onto the boards, after all tanking is basically a thin film of rubbery sealant...isnt it ?...so ive read and been advised..

ive already got the aquapanel boards delivered today...so its a bit late to change, cant see a problem though if i use a flexible adhesive like bal whitestar and some decent grout like mapei ultracolour plus...

 

[Time's Ran Out]

As I mentioned in post 5 - I'd take a look at your choice of adhesive!
Bal white star is a ready mixed tub adhesive and only water resistant.

 

[Dougs Third Go]

tray first, enclosure after imo.

 

[Muse2k8]

I would recommend forgetting about the bal white star and use a cementitious adhesive such as bal ctf4. Definitely tank the aqua board too. It doesn't sit on the surface but it will bond into it.

 

[Perry]

yes i know nothing is waterproof, but these were recommemeded by lots of people even on other forums, they basically dont disintergrate, still stay strong even when wet, been advised no tanking is necesaary, however if i did tank the aquapanels how would the adhesive for the tiles stick onto the boards, after all tanking is basically a thin film of rubbery sealant...isnt it ?...so ive read and been advised..

ive already got the aquapanel boards delivered today...so its a bit late to change, cant see a problem though if i use a flexible adhesive like bal whitestar and some decent grout like mapei ultracolour plus...

Yes backer boards are waterproof and only a two thirds of the price of aquapanals so why are you asking for help if you know what's best sorry but only tring to help no benefit to me

 

[Dougs Third Go]

aquapanel aren't waterproof and whitestar is a dispersion adhesive so neither are suitable to a constantly wet area. Both are probably okay in a shower area that is used domestically maybe once, twice, tops a day but never use a dispersion addy on anything bigger than say 30 x 30's. (but I always use a cement based addy anyway as standard)