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DavidL

The following is an article written by an eminent stone professional in the USA - please read it and you may then understand a little more about the concept of sealing natural stone

The past 12 to15 years witnessed the birth and phenomenal surge of a type of product for which nobody had ever felt the need for since mankind started to use stone! All of a sudden, the last decade of the twentieth century brought about the awareness that, without it, we could no longer live!
I’m talking about sealers for stone, also referred to as “impregnators.”
What happened, that caused this kind of frantic need for something that nobody ever needed before just about overnight?
Ignorance happened!
North America and most Northern European countries (that had no stone culture to speak of) were fascinated by a product that they always admired and craved for, but could never afford. The affordability factor, however, was not as much a cost issue, as it was an issue of lack of the specific craftsmanship necessary to process it. I’m talking about marble, limestone, granite, etc. Up until a generation ago, stone tiles had not even been invented yet, and the slabs were delivered to the fabrication shop right off the gang-saw; that is, neither one of their two sides were calibrated and polished like they are now. It was the fabricator that had to process the surface of one side of the slab, by calibrating it (grinding), honing and polishing! All this without mentioning the machinery and tooling that were available back then! Marble and granite floors were made by using unfinished cuts of stone (the only ones available) that were set directly on the mud bed, then ground and finished on the premises (“grind-in-place” method). And that – all the processing, that is – is the main factor that makes the craftsmen involved understand stone.
New processing techniques in the quarries and manufacturing plants, brought about an impressive reduction of costs, along with the great idea of ready-to-use products, such as polished marble and granite tiles, or almost ready-to-use, such as pre-finished marble and granite slabs.
Buying and selling stuff that’s manufactured in some mysterious way, in some far off factory, doesn’t make anyone any more intelligent about whatever it is that one’s trading. Processing it does. But it’s not the case here, remember!… All the processing had been done by the factory; all we needed were just plain setters, or contractors that could use a saw and learn how to polish edges. That’s why stone restoration / refinishing is the very pinnacle of all stone related activities: It’s the only one that actually processes the stone! And to do that, one must know stone.
If you add to the mix the huge number of “new” stones that all of a sudden started appearing on the marketplace from all corners of the planet (and counting), and the almost total lack of self-regulation of the stone industry, which has been desperately trying to “keep things simple” with the consequence being that the situation is so confusing that nobody knows what actual stone one’s looking at, you have a big melting pot where only one ingredient is brewing: Ignorance. And to the best of my knowledge, nothing intelligent ever came out from it!
A solution was badly needed. But, alas, with the benefit of a precious few exceptions, the importers/distributors don’t know the first thing about stone. The fabricators are just about there themselves, since they get their stone “education” from salesmen and invoices. And the setters? What on earth have they got to do with stone knowledge? They only install it! What about the original producers? Well, quarry owners/operators usually know their own stone, period. So, if for instance you’re considering a marble quarry and processing plant, and you go back to the owners and question them why their marble “stains” so easily when it’s installed, say, in a kitchen, all they could honestly do would be to break the news that’s the wrong material for the wrong application, but such a “solution” – the only sensible one -- would certainly not be satisfactory, would it! It would mean going back to school and learn something about stone, and nobody has time for that! Something “better” and “easier” was needed!
It is the general conception that when a material turns out to be delicate and difficult to maintain, it needs to be “sealed”. The picture that most people have in their mind about a sealer and its expected performance, is some sort of “cocoon” that envelops the item to be preserved and protected, and turns it into an enjoyable, bulletproof material. With this picture in their minds, the major operators of the stone trade started soliciting chemists from all over the planet to find a sealer for stone that would solve all problems and could make them go away without stone knowledge. Of course the chemists – who don’t know the first thing about petrography – started out by asking the BIG QUESTION: “What seems to be the problem?”The answer came in like a unanimous choir: “STAINING!” Hearing that, off they went to work to solve a problem that they perceived as related to absorbency, due to the natural porosity inherent of all stones.
And “The-miracle-in-a-bottle” made its trumpeted appearance on the international scene of the stone industry, and in a very short period of time became the “necessity” and what I consider one of the most overrated, over-promoted and over-applied (not to mention ill-applied!) products in mankind’s history! A domestic company – one of the pioneers of the bottled solution – even called itself “Miracle” to anticipate what one could expect from their “one-medicine-cure-all” product! Did it work?
When something sounds to good to be true, it usually is! What’s more, no matter how you slice it, there’s no substitute for true knowledge and professionalism. The much heralded “miracle-in-a-bottle” was not to be an exception!
The was majority of the problems related to stone were stemming from their wrong specification, in part due to sheer ignorance about the real nature (geological classification) of the stone itself, and in part to the total hostility at listening to reason displayed by all too many specifiers. No canned “solution” will ever be able to overcome that!
So then, are all these sealers (impregnators) nothing but a bunch of useless marketing gimmicks?
No, they are not. Absorbency of stone is a real problem indeed, and, to a certain extent, good-quality sealers such as our **** can help a great deal. But it must be understood that the reduction of the natural absorbency of the stone is the only feature that anybody can expect from a sealer. No “cocoon” and no other “protection” whatsoever. What’s more, we must above all learn when a sealer is needed or is useless. For instance, a granite (true geological granite, that is) countertop fabricated for a kitchen does need to be sealed. But let’s understand that the sealing is required because of the environment the stone is installed within, not just because of the stone itself. In fact, it wouldn’t make much sense to seal the same granite installed on a formal living room, or a foyer floor (where the likelihood of staining is minimal); as it would make no sense whatever to seal the same granite installed on the walls of a condominium lobby, where the likelihood of staining is totally inexistent. Remember, stone is a product of nature, and the more you leave it alone and don’t tamper with it, the better it is for it!It’s a scientific fact, not this writer’s opinion.
But what about all those stains on marble and travertine?
They are NOT stains: they are rather “stains”, that is actual surface damage that only look like stains (see our other helpful hint about stain removal) and no sealer on the marketplace claims to even begin preventing them! As a matter of fact, most marbles and travertine are very dense stones – contrary to popular misconception. Their absorbency is very limited and, in most instances, they don’t need to be sealed. Green Marbles (Serpentine) do need sealing, when installed in an environment where staining is likely to happen.)
In conclusion, like I had the opportunity to state in my other and more formal editorial about stone impregnators (see ROCKING THE BOAT, article #2 about stone cleaners and sealers), when properly and intelligently applied (stone is a natural product, and no blanket rule ever applies to a natural product!), they do solve the problem of medium absorbency stones when installed in an environment where staining is a distinct possibility, but that’s all there is to them. Once again, buying into the possible suggestion that a sealer can do more than that, will inevitably lead to wrong decisions, which in turn will only lead to disappointment.
EDUCATION BEFORE ANY SALE! You can expect that from us.
 
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DavidL

The whole issue of stone care and maintenance - including sealing - is different to other materials in that there is no single standard answer as all natural materials are different.

What the author of the article is trying to say is that the sealing of ALL stone in any situation is wrong. Sealers are useful to prevent staining when porous stones are placed in an environment where they are exposed to the potential of staining. I can walk into a well known tile seller and the answer to my question of maintenance I will be told "make sure the stone is sealed then you will be ok" - well this shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge about stone.

In summary the writer is simply saying - is this stone likely to stain? and more often than not the answer is no so why bother sealing, just leave it alone.
 
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DavidL

, and i was aways told that it protects the stone from grout and adhesive overspill .

So how was this done prior to the invention of sealers?

Anyway you should bear in mind that no sealer is a gaurantee against staining, I feel people are using the fact that you have sealed a stone as a cushion against future criticism.

What this all boils down to is trying to get the industry to treat its customers better and not hide behind marketing hype about sealing thinking it does more than reduce the stones porosity.
 
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DHTiling

This guy...David.L. is a stone restorer and these tradesman are very" anti-sealer " as it makes there job harder to do especially if a penetrating sealer has been used.....If in doubt about sealing a specific stone then contact the Stone federation of great Britain for advise......dave..


Stone Federation Great Britain
 
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DavidL

these tradesman are very" anti-sealer " as it makes there job harder to do especially if a penetrating sealer has been used

Wrong!!! - we deal with damage to a stones surface and an impregnator should be held within a stone and as such has absolutely no impact on our work. To help you understand - the things the quarries do to stone to make it shine, well we do the same only in-situ and I assure you the stone processors do not use sealers or other fancy chemicals, just good old water and diamond abrasives.

We are not anti-sealer's either - just anti the misuse of such chemicals caused by mis-selling and lack of real knowledge!!
 
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DHTiling

This matter of Should we seal or not..will always be a conflicting issue and i for one do not intend to keep up these discussions as difference of opinions will always cloud peoples judgement........sealers have been used for many years and i know there never used to be any.. but there uses are required in certain instances...dave.....
 
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