Tiling Nightmare Mosaic Help.....

[bcd-87]

Hi there

Throw the guys off the job, get wicks insterlation manager out !! If you let them continue it will cost you time and money

 

[neologic2k]

Hi All,

Really appreciate the comments and advice! The fitters left yesterday and have left us with a part tiled bathroom, the standard of which you can see bellow. From the advice I've read from the replay comments, it seems the whole room should have been stripped and re skimmed at the very least.

Should the walls around the bath have been tannked? Or is that just for a wet room?

I asked the fitter directly yesterday about for dabbing directly on to the artex skim and he said it would be fine. Last night afte they left I gently ran screwdriver behind the artex and it can off so easily!!!

The final straw was the state of the window frame, the external brickwork is exposed and need to be sorted, at the very least damp will get through! They were intending to just tile over it!

We went into wicks today and I did loose it a bit as my wife is so upset with the whole thing!! They are sending one of the mangers out tomorrow to come and take a look to see the mess we have been left with so far.

Pictures attached, will keep posting!

Thanks again, Paul

 

[neologic2k]

The main field tiles, just what are they being fixed to? It looks like painted artex to me, if you could clarify please

Indeed you are right it's painted artex

 

[kevsalt]

feel for you mate honest its painfull to look at ...it should have been skimmed minimum before starting ...really hope you get a good outcome from this mess mate...when you see bits of cardboard being used it never bodes well

 

[neologic2k]

If the walls are good then 3 dabs then

feel for you mate honest its painfull to look at ...it should have been skimmed minimum before starting ...really hope you get a good outcome from this mess mate...when you see bits of cardboard being used it never bodes well

Thanks Kev,

Me too! The a annoying thing is if they had said this in the first place we would have said just get it done!

 

[John Benton]

Bet you're glad you came here. Fact is, if you hadn't you may not have been any wiser, but hopefully you have stopped these idiots from carrying out any more work for Wickes' customers and that should sit well with you.

It's bad that it has to happen, but it amazes me that they have been contracted by Wickes to carry out this work. I once had to re-tile a kitchen after it had been badly done by B&Q. I think it's luck of the draw really, I've seen a kitchen fitted and tiles by B&Q subbies and it looked really good.

 

[neologic2k]

Bet you're glad you came here. Fact is, if you hadn't you may not have been any wiser, but hopefully you have stopped these idiots from carrying out any more work for Wickes' customers and that should sit well with you.

It's bad that it has to happen, but it amazes me that they have been contracted by Wickes to carry out this work. I once had to re-tile a kitchen after it had been badly done by B&Q. I think it's luck of the draw really, I've seen a kitchen fitted and tiles by B&Q subbies and it looked really good.

Thanks John,

Yes it was for sure a good move to get some advice from professionals! I would like to add, wickes have been really good this entire time! We had the kitchen done last month and are so pleased with it! The fitters were awesome and employed a proper tiler!

Like you said it's luck of the draw! Wicks are supposed to use an external company to vet fitters, although our situation is bad we caught it in time. It's the other poor people that have had these cowboys fit their bathrooms!!

 

[Old Mod]

Indeed you are right it's painted artex

Hey Paul,
Apologies for not picking that out when I first saw your post!
Just didn't see it on my phone.
Good job Craig did! @widler
At least a more major disaster was averted!
Good luck tomorrow.

 

[Mr Tiler]

feel for you mate honest its painfull to look at ...it should have been skimmed minimum before starting ...really hope you get a good outcome from this mess mate...when you see bits of cardboard being used it never bodes well

Whats wrong with using cardboard?

 

[White Room]

Whats wrong with using cardboard?

Cardboard will compress and when absorbing moisture will flatten out, why use cardboard when there are spacers.

 

[Mr Tiler]

Cardboard will compress and when absorbing moisture will flatten out, why use cardboard when there are spacers.

For a nats nacker i use carboard to hit the datum line just bang on

 

[Ian]

For a nats nacker i use carboard to hit the datum line just bang on

That's what wedges are for dear boy

 

[Mr Tiler]

Nah bri, just rip a bit off a box does the job a treat lol

 

[neologic2k]

Hi All,

So the plot thickens, we had a wickes out on Sunday afternoon, and the fitter out first thing this morning at which point I ran though all of the useful information I've been given on here and asked why the walls weren't preped, why the titles were being spot pointed and also pointed out why the mosaics were being squashed by the tiles above as they were not giving them time to dry!

Long and sort, I told them to rip it all out and start again preparing the walls this time! The excuse was we were train to save you money! At which point I said, just do the job right! If some crops up then tell me and we can discuss!!

They have now removed all traces of the artex, unibonded the wall and the wall by the window has been sorted...

Updated pictures attached.

Thank you all for your input!! I'll post a couple of pictures once the job is finished

Paul

 

[neologic2k]

Erm, can someone please mention the tiling onto what looks like old artexed walls It's bad enough tiling onto the old plaster (I'm Hoping it's sand/cement and not sand/lime mortar ) never mind painted artex

Thanks for the info! Good spot on the Artex, I did ask them and was told it's ok to just go over it!!

 

[Old Mod]

Hi All,


They have now removed all traces of the artex, unibonded the wall and the wall by the window has been sorted...

Paul

Errrrrm......
When u say unibonded the wall.......u don't mean PVA do you?

 

[bcd-87]

Hi All,

So the plot thickens, we had a wickes out on Sunday afternoon, and the fitter out first thing this morning at which point I ran though all of the useful information I've been given on here and asked why the walls weren't preped, why the titles were being spot pointed and also pointed out why the mosaics were being squashed by the tiles above as they were not giving them time to dry!

Long and sort, I told them to rip it all out and start again preparing the walls this time! The excuse was we were train to save you money! At which point I said, just do the job right! If some crops up then tell me and we can discuss!!

They have now removed all traces of the artex, unibonded the wall and the wall by the window has been sorted...

Updated pictures attached.

Thank you all for your input!! I'll post a couple of pictures once the job is finished

Paul

Hi Paul

Nice one mate, don't take any BS look forward finished pictures

Errrrrm......
When u say unibonded the wall.......u don't mean PVA do you?

 

[bcd-87]

Oh dear.. Good spot

 

[neologic2k]

Errrrrm......
When u say unibonded the wall.......u don't mean PVA do you?

He did say it was a pva, may be me getting products mixed

 

[Old Mod]

He did say it was a pva, may be me getting products mixed

Search PVA in here see how many threads come back!

It's the wrong product, and there's no getting away with it.
They have to use the same primer that's stated on the back of the adhesive bag, and it will certainly not be PVA!

 

[neologic2k]

I guess it was pva as I've just found this

 

[bcd-87]

I SBR everything... If my client gets in the way I SBR them too...

 

[Old Mod]

I guess it was pva as I've just found this

It can't be used, it breaks down under moisture.
Needs to be washed off and appropriate primer used.

 

[neologic2k]

Oh dear god...

I just read this "If you tile onto a painted wall your tiles will be held up with paint, not good. If you hire a tiler and he attempts to PVA the plaster before tiling, sack him!"

 

[neologic2k]

Thanks,

I'll speak to them first thing!!