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Sean Kelly

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I have my dinner at 20:00 !!!!! I'm more shocked at the price of the van insurance. I'm still on about the £150 a day wage, and I live in London, and work is very quiet at the mo. It was very mean of the client to knock you down even more. I wonder what materials they will provide for you?
 
Hi all, sorry for the late reply.

I completed the job in 3 days, customer had moved the office furniture in by the following monday. Customer was very happy with the job, They asked me to get same tiles and supply materials and tile a 64m2 floor as soon as i could fit it in.

this is the 2nd job completed for them & now they have asked me to supply and fit their 14m2 domestic kitchen in black marble tiles with gold and silver fleck (starlike)
so all in all, they are very happy with both jobs completed & more work follows!!

They have plenty of money, but are tight as hell... but again the £56 knocked off got me the job and 2 others so far :lol: HAPPY DAYS :smilewinkgrin:

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I have my dinner at 20:00 !!!!! I'm more shocked at the price of the van insurance. I'm still on about the £150 a day wage, and I live in London, and work is very quiet at the mo. It was very mean of the client to knock you down even more. I wonder what materials they will provide for you?


My insurance ?
 

aytiling

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Yes, I have been doing this job for circa 35 years. I get on a job and don't even really have to think about it, and I don't stop when I start. I will arrive at 7:30-8am and within half an hour I am laying tiles, then work straight through till 6pm without so much as a drink, just the way I am. I can shift 20-30 mtrs a day of easy stuff. Have a look at the reclaimed terracotta pic on my profile. If I remember it was about 15-20 mtrs. I laid, oiled, grouted, oiled again, waxed and buffed it all in a day. There is not an instruction book in the land that would tell you to do that but when you have done the job for years you try things out, some work some don't, you make mistakes and learn how to cut time down.
 

CJ

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Yes, I have been doing this job for circa 35 years. I get on a job and don't even really have to think about it, and I don't stop when I start. I will arrive at 7:30-8am and within half an hour I am laying tiles, then work straight through till 6pm without so much as a drink, just the way I am. I can shift 20-30 mtrs a day of easy stuff. Have a look at the reclaimed terracotta pic on my profile. If I remember it was about 15-20 mtrs. I laid, oiled, grouted, oiled again, waxed and buffed it all in a day. There is not an instruction book in the land that would tell you to do that but when you have done the job for years you try things out, some work some don't, you make mistakes and learn how to cut time down.




Why the rush.......life's too short.
 
Not having a go at you at all peak but people keep on shouting about standardising the industry including prices so that people are earning a wage that reflects their skill because there are always some that will work for buttons and undercut everyone else. How many thready have we seen on here where someone has been undercut by a stupidly low price and people assume that because the price is cheap the job will be done to a lower standard and with inferior materials. I think your prices are far too cheap, if you had knocked the £56 off for them that would have been £12.5/m2 or £125 a day and that would work out to about 30k a year but by the time you have taken off your tax, fuel, tools, etc you won't be left with a lot and would probably be earning less than minimum wage.


If you're undercutting slightly to get the job then fair enough but being almost half of what everyone is charging your just going to end up doing a lot of graft for not a lot of money. I would sit down and work out how much you need to earn per day to give you a wage, cover your expenses and holiday pay etc, i would say it will be a fair bit more than you are charging at the minute. Your just ripping yourself off at the minute.

Like i said i'm not having a go at you, if what you charge is enough to cover expenses and give you a wage then more power to you, your in a good position to get a lot of jobs booked in but it is a lot easier to drop your price to get a job than to add money on when its booked in and your prices will follow you on other jobs

Hi there Amtek, I have structured rates which I charge now which seem to bring me in work and a decent wage.
just got save for the insurance next year!
 

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