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Ricky H

hi all first job first problem
im going to be tiling my bathroom floor the floor is uneven got a 10-15mm run in places the floor is chipboard.
if i use a self leveling compound can i tile straight on to it? or should i ply the chipboard first then self level all replies appreciated
 
sorry to mislead you on the depth of ply to use, unlike ricky h's my floor is already level and just wondered if i can use 9mm ply straight onto chipboard or is it 12mm ply
thanks for your quick responses
 
If you want to level over timber of any sort, look no further than Mapei Fiberplan. It will go to 10mm in 1 pour and is pretty much truly self levelling. You can layer it too to go thicker if need be. It will be absolutely spot on for your 6mm Ricky.
 
thanks allurePTS,could i use 9mm ply straight onto a chipboard floor that is level or would i have to use 12mm ply to make the chipboard more rigid?
thanks again
 
there are several self levelers out there now that can be poured up to 50mm in one application.the one i know off is granfix's but am sure most addy companies do there own variant

50mm !!! ....Sounds great - I dunno if I'd be brave enough to try that tho !! lol
 
If you want to level over timber of any sort, look no further than Mapei Fiberplan. It will go to 10mm in 1 pour and is pretty much truly self levelling. You can layer it too to go thicker if need be. It will be absolutely spot on for your 6mm Ricky.

cheers grumpy - thats quite a few times ive heard mapei fiberplan recommended on here, I really like their addy's so I think ill have to try it ....like you say, so many of them are not really "self levelling" either !!!
 
thanks allurePTS,could i use 9mm ply straight onto a chipboard floor that is level or would i have to use 12mm ply to make the chipboard more rigid?
thanks again

the standard is 18mm mate so anything less has an element of risk, it's always difficult to understand the full situation too ......for me personally, provided the chipboard is 22mm, in good nick and well screwed down ....I would be happy to use 12mm ply well screwed and glued ...it's a compromise mate and depends on your view of the situation really
 
i always thought it was 18mm ex ply onto joists (minimum) just out of interest what is the minimum ply overlay, provided sub floor is firm etc etc?
 
I've always thought it should be 25mm marine onto joists for tiling and 15 for overlay ...realistically that means either go up to 18 or down to 12 ....is that all wrong then Doug ?
 
Lets not get confused with the reason ply is mentioned in BS for tiling. It is my understanding from what I have read (and no, I don't have a copy of the BS, just read extracts off the net) the ply of minimum thickness 15mm is to be screwed at no more than 300mm centres to strengthen the floor to avoid deflection. If there is no or acceptable deflection and I believe there is a formula for this of L/360 where L is the length of the room, then ply is actually not needed. Now, most people on here will not tile onto chipboard under any circumstances as they believe it is not stable enough and to a point I agree, but if you are tiling a floor of say 2m2 with chipboard, how much movement is there really going to be? Obviously this is a generalisation as I always do a bounce test with the good old glass of water before drawing conclusions, and generally any floor of more than say 2mx2m is starting to get towards dodgy ground. If there is no movement, why use 12 or 18mm ply when 6mm backerboard will the job?

As I have stated in previous posts, if the ply is too thin, I feel it can cause more problems than it solves with the possibility of introducing voids between it and the sub floor. In this case I would prefer to tile directly to the chipboard with appropriate adhesive than risk failure because the two surfaces have gaps between them.

If anyone can provide definitive, written documentation as to why chipboard MUST be overlaid at all cost, please post it up on here so that I can be educated. I am always looking to learn.:yes:
 
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Thanks Grumpy, very useful explanation there....I guess I'm stuck in my ways from what I was taught in my construction days .....always ply overlay if possible (unless it's Kaberdek) ...there's always been a lot of debate about it, I've always been inclined to work on the cautious side too. 😛arty3:
 

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