Wetroom Training From Manufactures

[wetdec]

WetDec, we would like to offer you a place FOC so you can come down here to Somerset, learn about the company, the products we offer and see how they are properly installed.

Hopefully it will help to clear up any concerns or reservations you have about Impey products and with any luck it will also lead to people being able to make up their own minds on this forum about the various products available (especially Impey) rather than you diving in at every opportunity and ripping them to shreds.

So there you go - a free training day (including a free lunch)....

Get in touch if you're interested.

Shaun

I dont rip them to shreds m8 I just say it how it is...........

I have no problem with the products but every one has a place, every person has an opinion and Impey do not have all the answers contrary to the marketing machine.

I am not a general site sponsor I sponsor the wet rooms forum and have done for quite a while. Impey reps march on and off trying to get their teeth into it but not once has anyone emailed and pm'd me to say hello or can we help out in any way. I sell your products it would be far better and benefit both our sales if you had but for some reason you havnt felt the need, the only time you address me is to winge.

Its simple Shaun its courtecy m8

tony

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[Gazzer]

Shaun

I dont rip them to shreds m8 I just say it how it is...........

I have no problem with the products but every one has a place, every person has an opinion and Impey do not have all the answers contrary to the marketing machine.

I am not a general site sponsor I sponsor the wet rooms forum and have done for quite a while. Impey reps march on and off trying to get their teeth into it but not once has anyone emailed and pm'd me to say hello or can we help out in any way. I sell your products it would be far better and benefit both our sales if you had but for some reason you havnt felt the need, the only time you address me is to winge.

Its simple Shaun its courtecy m8

tony

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Actually its courtesy

 

[cornish_crofter]

Impey

I'm not that far from you if you need someone here to take up that offer

Well, if you don't ask you don't get.

 

[pt44]

While you are all arguing about tanking products, get yourself some wedi board and a nice wedi pre-formed tray and fit it. Its SO damn easy to use. You can even stand in your local CTD and watch a video of how to install it if you must - or watch it online no doubt. Really isn't hard to do.

Waterproof board, waterproof tape over all joints, waterproof tape over all fixing holes. Done - you have a fully tanked room, tile over it.

Couldn't be simpler - plus, their drain covers are really nice simple and classy. Not seen anything else so far that makes me want to change to another make. Worst thing I can think of, that might be an advantage with some membrane types, is that the membrane's are thin - whereas with Wedi, I usually use 12.5mm boards, which obviously encroach on the space slightly. Also, on the floor, if you can't dig down, then it needs a 50mm tray and board surrounding it, so that the whole floor needs to be raised by that amount. Could be a problem with some low ceilings perhaps. Though, not found a problem to date. And personally I quite like stepping up into a wet room, over a lip. So that the water is contained inside - don't want it running into the rest of the house.

Paul

 

[wetdec]

So out of the 3 0r 4 wetrooms you have fitted how many have been into wood floors or dont wedi board do a former thats suficiently strong to go directly on to joists without underboarding like the tuff2 tray for example.


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[pt44]

So out of the 3 0r 4 wetrooms you have fitted how many have been into wood floors or dont wedi board do a former thats suficiently strong to go directly on to joists without underboarding like the tuff2 tray for example.
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Never said at any point that I'm any kind of expert here. I sure isn't. Ask me about Fashion Photography, that's my area of expertise. However, I have fitted 3 or 4 wetrooms, as you correctly state and they've all been done using Wedi board. Because it was the first product that I came across that I liked. Out of those, only 1 has been on a wooden floor. I simply followed the very good instructions shown here:

Installing Fundo in Wooden Floors 1

50mm thick preformed shower tray is superb and I've not seen anything as nice as their drain.

Fundo Drain - Cross Section

I live with one of these and its the easiest thing to clean ever. Even the drain cover is tasteful to look at, unlike many others that I have seen.

I'm not knocking anybody else's tanking solutions, I just don't get how it seems to be that only a few are ever mentioned here. Now I fully realise that you sponsor this section, but if sponsor it means that its too biased, then in my humble opinion that's not a good thing. I just mentioned Wedi because from my experience, its easy to work with and I like it. As I am in no way connected to the company, its hardly because I want to promote them. Just thought people should look at all the options.

For example, even though the guy in the youtube link seems to be making light work of the installation process. I could see for my own personal use, I'd make a right pigs ear of trying to get that flexible sheet up onto a wall on my own and then having to try and press it flat. I'd bet I'd end up in a right state, with a totally bumpy surface, air bubbles all over the shop etc. With a nice stiff Wedi board, I don't have to worry about that issue. As I'm still a beginner, that suits me better, and may suit others better. As its a friendly open forum, with lots of people offering advice and giving help to new people, I just thought I'd share my own experiences, small as they are, as it may help others to decide on products, or open their eyes to other solutions.

Paul

PS - I originally used Wedi for my own shower room, because I didn't want to dig down into the concrete floor and wanted a raised tray - but I hate plastic trays. So I came across their raised base. Dead easy to install.

Fundo Easy Set

It was so dead easy to use and to waterproof the walls etc. that when I started doing wetrooms for other people, it was my immediate choice of material.

 

[pt44]

side note

someone else had this problem as well, so don't know the solution - but Wetdec, when I click on your signature link - to try and access your website, it directs me back to this forum. Same happens when I click on the email link as well. Just letting you know.

Paul

 

[wetdec]

Never said at any point that I'm any kind of expert here. I sure isn't. Ask me about Fashion Photography, that's my area of expertise. However, I have fitted 3 or 4 wetrooms, as you correctly state and they've all been done using Wedi board. Because it was the first product that I came across that I liked. Out of those, only 1 has been on a wooden floor. I simply followed the very good instructions shown here:

http://www.wedi.co.uk/fwood1.php

50mm thick preformed shower tray is superb and I've not seen anything as nice as their drain.

http://www.wedi.co.uk/fdraindiag.phpSo its 50mm thick you have only ever put them on the surface so you have a step up because otherwise you have to notch 50mm out of your joists for wood floors.

I live with one of these and its the easiest thing to clean ever. Even the drain cover is tasteful to look at, unlike many others that I have seen.

But its tiled so how can wedy be the easiest thing to clean ever :huh2:

I'm not knocking anybody else's tanking solutions, I just don't get how it seems to be that only a few are ever mentioned here.

The few that are mentioned on here are Impey Tuff2 and tilux the first 2 are GRP formers for wood floors and Tilux is a concrete floor former like yours but far far superior in its ease of installation and tanking.

Now I fully realise that you sponsor this section, but if sponsor it means that its too biased, then in my humble opinion that's not a good thing. I just mentioned Wedi because from my experience, its easy to work with and I like it. As I am in no way connected to the company, its hardly because I want to promote them. Just thought people should look at all the options. But you rave about Wedy and Devy every chance you get obviously to repeatedly make these statements you will of compared them to other systems, like Tilux Uheat marmox.

For example, even though the guy in the youtube link seems to be making light work of the installation process. I could see for my own personal use, I'd make a right pigs ear of trying to get that flexible sheet up onto a wall on my own and then having to try and press it flat. I'd bet I'd end up in a right state, with a totally bumpy surface, air bubbles all over the shop etc. With a nice stiff Wedi board, I don't have to worry about that issue. No you wouldnt as with wedy board you have to buy fixings, the sheetsAs I'm still a beginner, that suits me better, and may suit others better. As its a friendly open forum, with lots of people offering advice and giving help to new people, I just thought I'd share my own experiences, small as they are, as it may help others to decide on products, or open their eyes to other solutions. I am amazed you cant fix a sheet of tanking membrane to pb yet you can batten or overboard with wedy, drill for fixings, tape its joints, prime and then tile it. I think your a little cleverer than you are letting on.............................:yes:
Paul

PS - I originally used Wedi for my own shower room, because I didn't want to dig down into the concrete floor and wanted a raised tray - but I hate plastic trays. So I came across their raised base. Dead easy to install. But as you say what you really did was creat a shower cubicle without a plastic tray not a level access wet room.........

http://www.wedi.co.uk/easyset2.php

It was so dead easy to use and to waterproof the walls etc. that when I started doing wetrooms for other people, it was my immediate choice of material.So your going to give up taking snaps for a living and become a wedy ambassidor............they are / will be proud

Keep at it mate.........

 

[DHTiling]

Backer boards such as wedi or hardi or even marmox do have there place.....but if you have a pefectly good wall and it's suitable surface for your tiling( weight wise) then why pull it to bits when a tanking membrane such as durabase wp or schluters kerdi is alot easier and deffo alot cheaper and quicker to install...this cuts down on the installation costs for the customer......Membranes are deffo the way of the future and will over take solution kits before long....
No body is saying your way is incorrect pt44 but it is an expensive way of going about tanking ...
This is an open forum yes!! and all input is very much welcome , but when peeps disagree you have to take it as an opinion and thats all.....

 

[wetdec]

In agreement with what Dave has said, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Unfortunately whether it lack of experience or lack of want you are enthusing about a system which was designed not as an answer to wet rooms but as an insulation / backing system for tilers.

The market is open to many but there arnt many in the market...........those that are are pushing ahead with systems designed to make wet room installations advanced and cut labour where possible. Where you fit wetrooms as a side line the guys rely on various systems to make a living and unfortunately cant afford the luxury of choosing 1 system forgetting the labour input and costs .................

There are 3 systems available to anyone in the uk that offer better or worse the same as wedy offer and we see 1 of them just recently opting for a solid former with high compressive strength..........this is no accident times are changing. Take a look around................

tiler



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[pt44]

Out of interest, can I make an inset cubby hole using a membrane system? For instance, I have just built a shower area, with an inset box area, to hold the shampoos etc. How does a membrane cope with that situation, could you please advise as to how I could do that. That's a serious question - as I would need to be able to do that in the future.

As for membranes being better the future - they may well be, how should I know. I was only offering my experiences (quite clearly labelled as inexperienced one's). If I had all the money in the world and the time - I'd take time out to learn some other systems and how to install them.

Luckily my clients are well off enough not to question the cost of a Wedi installation - plus I charge per day, so if it takes longer to install - its not me losing out. If I really wanted to save my clients money, I'd tell them to use someone who tiles faster and has more experience than me. However, luckily, my clients can see that my work is done with a certain care and attention that most builders would never provide - as they are in it to do the job quick, make a buck, and get onto the next job. So my clients (so far) have no objection to my taking my time to make the job look perfect.

BTW - at no point did I EVER say that Wedi was a better system than any others. I merely pointed out that it was an "alternative" - that hadn't been previously mentioned in this thread. By mentioning it - one can then discuss its benefits and disadvantages (which is surely the whole point of a forum). For instance, the fact that membranes can create a fully flush to floor installation is a really interesting one to me and one that I will think about for future work.

Paul

 

[White Room]

I done one and used bal wp1 in the insert and tape jointed all the angles

 

[Dan]

Just bumping some of the older popular (sometimes not so popular) threads. Probably wont be current discussion these days but I just need to do it. So just ignore the thread if it's not current for you.

 

[Impey Showers]

Courses available every month. £25 and a bumper west country lunch provided.
Please see our website for details.

Appreciate the forum bumps Dan.

 

[Dan]

No problem.

You can post new threads in the tile news forum if you want to post regular dates or whatever

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