when is a tiler not a tiler....

[ian158]

....do you consider contract tilers..tilers ?

Stripping out an ensuite today and here is what I find....6mm ply screwed to floor...tiles not back buttered...7 years old..on new build by contractors...wall tiles tiled on paint..floor very bouncy as its those horrid i beam shuttering ply joists..other bathrooms showing cracked grout and one tile in corner was cracked.

is it laziness...cost...piece work or just the norm on sites ?

 

[Mr T]

what do ya mean I beam joints ian? and I shouldn't really comment on the actrual question lol cheers

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

I think its probably a bit of both ian. Also teades saying they can tile to secure work. So not a tiler. I cant see real tilers tiling onto ply.

 

[mz30]

I think its probably a bit of both ian. Also teades saying they can tile to secure work. So not a tiler. I cant see real tilers tiling onto ply.

Why?

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

Because thats what people do. We tilers have isues with people say they can tile when the clearly can't.

 

[mz30]

So because I will tile on ply (not 6mm)am not a real tiler?

 

[steve187]

where any of the tiles loose, and the floor adhesive looks like 2 pack bal fastflex.

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

Well as you know ply is not suitable as it expands and contracts and

 

[Sean SML Tiling]

Majority of the time tiles do come loose.

 

[mz30]

Not if you use the right ply and materials etc ,and don't do as in the op's post

 

[John Benton]

Ripped out some tiles very easily a few years ago in what used to be a hotel, now apartments, in centre of Leeds.

Floor tiles were down with tubbed addy and this was in a 2 bed apartment, 175k. there was that much bounce in the floor I rented it out to a trampolining club for a week while the customer was away!!!

Talking to a tiler mate of mine and he was telling me he was subbying for a big house-builder in the centre of Leeds. I told him about the tubbed addy I had earlier and he said it must be same builders as he was fitting floor tiles with same addy. He'd had enough and walked.

I'm sure they're not all the same but for me it would be mind numbing, boring repetitive work, couldn't do it. Only really see that as a skill to a certain degree. Nothing really difficult to think about or contend with!!!

 

[CJ]

I can feel a fight coming on...........

hang on......I'll get me chair. :lol:

 

[DHTiling]

When is a mixed trade a tiler is the best question... :lol:

 

[ian158]

where any of the tiles loose, and the floor adhesive looks like 2 pack bal fastflex.

none loose..one cracked in corner..and the adhesive was very rubbery...thats not Chinese for lovely either.

 

[ian158]

See mixed trades don't call them selves tilers Dave..i don't !..am i a tiler...no but i can tile...to a certain level...so..these guys were tilers..or just not good ones ?..what da fink ?

 

[steve187]

none loose..one cracked in corner..and the adhesive was very rubbery...thats not Chinese for lovely either.

rubbery is fastflex was 2 pack but now 1 pack, was and still is the best flex adhesive but at a price, things have moved on in the last 7 years and what was the norm then, is different today, i always tried to avoid tiling onto upstairs chipboard bathroom/ensuite floors, but when i had to i would always use 6 mm ply and screw every 6 inches and use fastflex. and have never had a recall, but i have walked away from lots of these floors over the years as well as underfloor wired heating.

now i would use 6mm hardi.

 

[steve187]

When is a mixed trade a tiler is the best question... :lol:

I know the answer to that question............

my question is when does a builder know whats best?

 

[ian158]

she wanted me to use ditra she bought so there would not be to much of a height issue..the floor tiles are only 6mm ! .. when I realised there was 6mm ply underneath and the bounce in the floor I said im not happy using Ditra so laying hardi tomorrow..taking floor up to move some pipes and will put some more noggins in me thinks.

 

[Mr T]

what size timber will you be using for noggins ian? cheers

 

[ian158]

loads of 6x2 in the garage..that'll do it.

 

[Mr T]

thanks and sorry but what centres? or just random lol

 

[ian158]

When is a mixed trade a tiler is the best question... :lol:

Bless you Dave, as much as you hate multi-trades..heres a few pictures of what i've done over the past 3 years..yes I can lay slabs..yes I can plumb..yes I can plaster...and I can also tile..so as much as you want to dig me out..I can walk away knowing i've done a decent job in all the trades..regardless of wether i'm qualified or not...and i have work until end of September..got a call from a guy i laid a garage base last year..wanting his garden levelled and 2 shed bases..he then tells me the guys who fitted the wooden garage said it was the best garage base..with 2 course dwarf wall they had ever fitted a garage to..which is why i'm back there next week working.....happy days...:hurray:

 

[DHTiling]

Ian... i threw a comment with humor and no mention of you in that post was there... so unless someone is paranoid , stop thinking peeps are having a go... ok..

 

[Protilers]

I am a multi trader (although I specialise in tiling!)..........and I dont think Dave hates me?......dislike maybe.........but thats because I am southern......hehhehehehhehheeee

 

[ian158]

not paranoid at all...just proving multi -trades can do it...cant paint all with the same brush..talking of painting..I dont do that..hate it !