when to charge day rate or sqm2

[Fekin]

Nah, just pi*#ed sWe mate , but thank u for the thanks

 

[graham31]

There really isn't a defined answer, but Dave's answer comes closest.

Basically time is money, simple as.

Main thing you need to decide on first is the minimum you need to earn for a days work, and this differs up and down the country.
Some need £200 plus, down to basically anything they can get.
So say the average is £130 a day minimum needed, and your pricing up a full bathroom that's 20 sqm wall tiling, then you'd possibly price up on sqm rate, say £20, so for the whole room you'd be quoting £400 labour for the tiling, and it took 3 days to tile, you're looking at a day rate of £133 which is just over what you really need.
But if you then looked at tiling an complicated 10sqm kitchen with loads of wet cutting round 12 sockets, 2 windows and a extractor hood in tiny 10cm x 10cm tiles and whatever else and it was going to still take 3 days to complete, you wouldn't charge sqm rate because you would only end up earning £66 a day over 10 sqm.

Basically smaller tiles equals fitting many more tiles than fitting larger tiles, equals taking longer to fit the same amount od sqm than iot would with larger tiles.
Different tiles can mean the difference between dry cutting and wet cutting, and wet cutting takes a lot longer than dry cutting.

So in essence, the longer you think it will take to do the same amount of sqm area, the more you need to charge, but theres a trade off too this, being new to the game isn't an option to charge more for the sqm area because your slow and can't tile as much as someone else in the same amount of time because you'll never get a job in the first place thinking like this.
Earlier on when your starting out, you will need to earn less to start with because your not as fast as other established tilers, and your going to need more time to complete a job because your a new guy, but speed comes with experiance, so the first few jobs will take longer than you expect it to, but you'll get quicker through experiance and finish jobs in half the time, doubling your day rate.

I hope this all makes sense, Im quite........ over the limit at the moment

Small tiles big tiles wet cut dry cut things i haven't considered this was the sort of answer i was looking for Thanks Fekin

 

[Fekin]

No problem but it's things like this that can make the difference between a job taking a day and a half or 3 or more

 

[graham31]

No problem but it's things like this that can make the difference between a job taking a day and a half or 3 or more

a looooooooooooooooooooooot to learn still :mad2:

 

[Fekin]

Aye, but you'll get there

 

[eyebeetiling]

Small tiles big tiles wet cut dry cut things i haven't considered this was the sort of answer i was looking for Thanks Fekin

Tile size and cut's matter alot when pricing but so does the type of tile!
I bit off a bit more than I could chew when I quoted on finishing someone elses work.
660 x 430 porcelain tiles, and the customer had broken most of them! took me an extra day as I was trying to rush to get finished, so decided to ge back next day before I did something stupid like chop off my thumb.
Good thing is that they were happy, gave me a £60 tip and have had loads of recomendations from them.

There are always lessons to be learnt!

 

[DHTiling]

My advice is to take each job at face value........you have too......believe me....

Each job has its own merits and different situations and hence the pricing is different.....so take your time and price accordingly and honestly.......many thanks.........

 

[sWe]

I had a little surprice the other day when I started removing the sanitary wares from a bath room. When I removed a cabinet, it became obvious that the guy who owns the house had DIY'ed the floor, and installed UFH.
I noticed that because the cable which runs from the UFH to the thermostat was exposed. He'd routed it through a tile and then into the wall, and covered it with some grout :mad2:

I need to build something to box it in...

 

[graham31]

I had a little surprice the other day when I started removing the sanitary wares from a bath room. When I removed a cabinet, it became obvious that the guy who owns the house had DIY'ed the floor, and installed UFH.
I noticed that because the cable which runs from the UFH to the thermostat was exposed. He'd routed it through a tile and then into the wall, and covered it with some grout :mad2:

I need to build something to box it in...

What you do in that situation?Do you tell him this is going to cost abit extra?

 

[sWe]

Yeah. First I adviced to remove the whole thing and redo, in part because that's an unapproved construction which could void the home insurance in the event of the UFH causing an electrical fire or some other type of damage.
There's also a very real risk of me damaging it, or someone else after my work's done.

The customer didn't want me to remove the thing given the added cost of labour, new UFH and SLC, and I doubt any customer would agree to removing functioning UFH, so I'll just have him sign a waiver on monday. It'll state that he agree's I can't be held responsible for any damage caused to or by the UFH, as it's an unapproved construction.

If he doesn't agree to left me box it in (with the added cost for that), I'll walk. I won't risk damaging the UFH, or leaving it exposed for that matter. I've got a rep to consider.