Why do i need an nvq by 2010?

[The D]

Discuss our systems? Lol - Ok, you can discuss our systems with CAA if you like, because we really haven't got time to show you how to run your business.
It's quite simple really - 6 week ICA (underpinning knowledge) followed by an NVQ2. A minimum 20 week period has to have gone before they can be accredited with an NVQ pass. Maximum of 2 years.
Fully endorsed, accredited, signed, stamped and sealed by ALL RANKS at the CAA.
Were moving on from this thread now as it is as simple as that really.
🙂

I mention the LSC and the TTA because I happen to know some people who work for those organisations and probably know the answer to the question “how can you get an NVQ2 with no experience”?? I do not mean to rub people up the wrong way I guess it’s just a knack I have.
It is my understanding that an NVQ is work-based assessment. You are assessing a person’s competence in the trade. Competence is shown through the work-based evidence of activates frequently carried out. So how dose that equate to getting an NVQ with no experience?
I am not questioning the fact that you are accredited neither am I questioning you as a centre.
You invited me to come to your centre I did not ask you but I would have been willing to come and ask the question face to face.
I have nothing to gain from your systems as I do no get involved with the NVQ at my training centre and never will. I am only interested in you’re statement of being able to give someone with no experience an NVQ. You and I both know that is not the case. Quotes like (It normally takes 12 weeks to complete, unless more site visits are required to gather more performance evidence to satisfy the performance criteria. You have 2 years to complete it, If you have taken part in some form of accredited training, such as a Level 1 NOCN or ASET, then 12 weeks is a very realistic target to get your NVQ2 done, maybe sooner. However, if you have achieved an ICA, then you can get your NVQ2 in 20 weeks from the day you finished the course, maybe sooner. THIS IS BY FAR THE QUICKEST WAY FOR A PERSON TO GET THEIR NVQ2, WHO HAS NO OR LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN THE TRADE.) I am sorry to say I find confusing dare I say misleading. as I said in my post I have not read the full quote but posted like that it is suspect.
I do not require any assistance running my business I have managed quite well so far thanks.

 

[Dan]

Please dig this story if that's your thing. Digg - Why do i need a Tiling nvq by 2010?

 

[ChaseTiling]

i've just done my cscs card scheme & i've not got an NVQ in tiling, so i'm not sure you have your “FACTS” correct there m8

:stupid:

What colour is your card? Does it give you the trade on the back of it that you will be operating as?

Because as of 2010 if your caught working out of your card and qualification scope, you and your employer will be fined.

 

[ChaseTiling]

I mention the LSC and the TTA because I happen to know some people who work for those organisations and probably know the answer to the question “how can you get an NVQ2 with no experience”?? I do not mean to rub people up the wrong way I guess it’s just a knack I have.
It is my understanding that an NVQ is work-based assessment. You are assessing a person’s competence in the trade. Competence is shown through the work-based evidence of activates frequently carried out. So how dose that equate to getting an NVQ with no experience?
I am not questioning the fact that you are accredited neither am I questioning you as a centre.
You invited me to come to your centre I did not ask you but I would have been willing to come and ask the question face to face.
I have nothing to gain from your systems as I do no get involved with the NVQ at my training centre and never will. I am only interested in you’re statement of being able to give someone with no experience an NVQ. You and I both know that is not the case. Quotes like (It normally takes 12 weeks to complete, unless more site visits are required to gather more performance evidence to satisfy the performance criteria. You have 2 years to complete it, If you have taken part in some form of accredited training, such as a Level 1 NOCN or ASET, then 12 weeks is a very realistic target to get your NVQ2 done, maybe sooner. However, if you have achieved an ICA, then you can get your NVQ2 in 20 weeks from the day you finished the course, maybe sooner. THIS IS BY FAR THE QUICKEST WAY FOR A PERSON TO GET THEIR NVQ2, WHO HAS NO OR LITTLE EXPERIENCE IN THE TRADE.) I am sorry to say I find confusing dare I say misleading. as I said in my post I have not read the full quote but posted like that it is suspect.
I do not require any assistance running my business I have managed quite well so far thanks.

Before I start my reply, please don't associate our thinking as the same as yours. Because clearly it's not. Thats not us being funny, its just that we seem to be more informed from the CAA than what you currently are. 🙂

ICA to NVQ = MINIMUM of 26 weeks - up to 2 years. (6 week full time ICA followed by ON SITE assessment & 5 Work Based Records of past jobs, including references). Those WBR's are verified and if necessary, physically checked by the assessor. If not satisfactory, then more WBR's and Observations are required, to meet the Performance Criteria. This means that within that 20 week period after your ICA, you have to collect your evidence and references and have your observations. The CAA state that a PORTFOLIO OF EVIDENCE cannot be submitted for verification and accreditation until 20 WEEKS HAVE PASSED AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THE ICA.

EXPERIENCED WORKER to NVQ = MINIMUM OF 12 WEEKS - Must have 3 years TRACKABLE work experience. Then submit 5 WBR's & Refereces, minimum of 3 on site visits, current CV and any other accredited prior learning that is going to assist them in achieving the NVQ. 12 WEEKS MUST PASS AS A MINIMUM BEFORE A PORTFOLIO OF EVIDENCE CAN BE SUBMITTED FOR ACCREDITATION & VERIFICATION.

We have had plenty of people do the 26 week programme and achieve their NVQ2. With the system that has been approved by the CAA.

🙂

 

[DHTiling]

Cheers Ant..I think that sez it all.......( we hope...lol )...

 

[DARRELL]

i've just done my cscs card scheme & i've not got an NVQ in tiling, so i'm not sure you have your “FACTS” correct there m8

:stupid:

Hi I thought you had to have nvq level 2 and when did you sit your test. I phoned my test centre and they said I missed the grandfather rights and had to sit my nvq level 2.Please let me now how you did it as I have been tiling for 12 years now and I ant going back to school to learn something I all ready now. I could proberly tell the tutor a thing or 2 .Thanks Darrell

 

[UKTT Darren]

You could do your EWPAR NVQ2 assessment with us in a one day assessment at the centre and thats it, no tuition just do a job task and the recorded discussion, as long as you have the proof of work history, 5 years

 

[Fred]

Tell me how are they going to enforce this? Are all the builder I work for suddenly going to stop using me! Scare mungers by a certain training company, who wants to keep his at the top.............all c--p if you ask me.

 

[UKTT Darren]

Unless on a site it wont be enforced anywhere, especially by joe public

 

[White Room]

I uesd to have a cscs on grandfather rights when they first came out, never got asked for it and let it lapse

 

[David - Tradetiler]

From what I have heard this has all reversed in places like Germany

Correct me if I am wrong

They had all the very strict qualification rules but then gradualy found all the new young people couldn't be bothered to learn trades etc. They all wanted top paying jobs sitting on there backsides all day in front of a computer. What happened was the few qualified tilers (a bit like the Corgi Reg= pay me triple plumbing situation) just ripped customers off. The govenmant de-regulated the whole thing as it just was not working.

The UK is in a cycle 10 yeas behind. We will be back to where we are now in 15 years after we have decided it didn't work.

 

[ChaseTiling]

What qualification does it say that you have on the back of your card? And what colour is it? 🙂

 

[graham31]

What a read this was start to finish,conflicting opinion and prob not the last we'll hear of this subject.

But my 10pence worth is tradesmen will not be bothered with the hassle of getting an NVQ and the ones that do will be paid handsomely on site as their could be a shortage.As for the other they will just flood the domestic market and jobs will get cheaper.Benefits Joe public so they will prob not bother weather you are NVQ qualified or not.

That's my thought right or wrong

 

[Stan001]

I dunno Graham, you could well be right mate – or for exactly the scenario you state it could go 100% the other way. For example, right now I can get hold of trades to work on my house or on a self build and I know they are pretty much at the same spec as the guys working on non-domestics, in fact probably better. But when the site work all comes back and the government insist only qualified (whether that be NVQ2 of whatever for tile fixers) people are allowed on sites then I have to make sure that I’m getting hold of someone good and not someone who is bidding for my work only because he cant get on site. Whether ‘good’ means ‘qualified’ is a whole different discussion thread, but the only way Joe Public and self builders are going to be able to see (and I bet self builders get classified as site within 5 years – and I think they accounted for over 25% of new builds in Britain before the economy went flip) is to ask to see some form of qualifications card. Quite honestly we all need to think bigger and not internally like this little island mentality. We complain like mad about the Polish etc coming here, but guess what, those guys will be the first going back to college to get their NVQ2 and coming back to the UK (when the recession ends) whilst we are all still moaning about it down the pub! I worked in Germany for 3 years, the standards of construction over there IMHO is general massively higher than over here, everything from how something is specified to how something is done to spec. (they had the equivalent of Part P, Part E, Part M etc years ago) We little Brits need to open our eyes and get with the program and not ignore it.

 

[mags]

originally posted by essex tiling
it is a fact , you will not be able to get your cscs card without one and you will find it harder and harder to get on site or into domestic households without your nvq level 2 by 2010. At the moment the government is backing this and is offering funding for un qualified people to gain their nvq level 2. The funding is through train to gain and as long as you dont have any previous qualifications and under 5 gcses then it will be free of charge. Good luck and get qualified
any idea of the cost, for someone like myself, i have a levels so wont qualify for the funding, i also have a full time job as well as the tiling.

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forget that, found a cscs test centre not too far from me, £25.00 for the test only, the missus can get me a copy of the study book from work gratis.

swearing removed.

Sorry about the language its makes me mad .


Anyway as i said why should someone who has a moderate inteligence and worked hard at school , not get subsdies from the government whne mr thicko does. Doesnt seem fair to me.

 

[John the tile]

my story -

ive done my ever so easy cscs card exam 3 years on the trot and each time my card was renewed for 1 year (exactly the same exam). think i paid about £25 each time .

Then i passed my nvq and so when i phoned up to book my next test as my cscs was running out, they said no exam we now send you out a cscs card and you dont have to do the exam anymore and its valid for 5 years...

sound

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

just reading this lot and i am just wondering where my trade as a swimming pool finisher come's in !!! then tiling acadamy guy's please ??

 

[DHTiling]

just reading this lot and i am just wondering where my trade as a swimming pool finisher come's in !!! then tiling acadamy guy's please ??

Oh!! Well down the list..:lol::lol:

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

:lol::lol::lol: as usual Dave

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

just recieved my CSCS card in the post this morning and it is wite with gray band's it also has a smart chip in it,to reduce the number of fraudulent CSCS card's in circulation and a bit worrying it say's this smart chip may also be used for other application's ( sound's a bit big brother aaaaa )????? oh it's also expires in 2015 so there!!! who need an NVQ :8::8::8:

 

[mikethetile]

my story -

ive done my ever so easy cscs card exam 3 years on the trot and each time my card was renewed for 1 year (exactly the same exam). think i paid about £25 each time .

Then i passed my nvq and so when i phoned up to book my next test as my cscs was running out, they said no exam we now send you out a cscs card and you dont have to do the exam anymore and its valid for 5 years...

sound

you will still need to take the H&S test in 5 yrs to renew your card

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

yes but five year's is plenty of time

 

[airjacobs]

Both interesting comments there, and both very right. Training centre's are fidning it hard to get the right accreditation. You'll find most of the good ones have some backing from a governing body.

 

[Unsi]

I have been informed that you can take a tiling course and do tiling jobs etc around houses/offices and once you have had around 5 years experience you can then contact an NVQ assesor who will come and asses your work and you then build up a portfolio of photographs/references and write ups of your work and you can then be NVQ qualfied.

I then also hear they are "rebranding" the NVQ name to somthing else so I don't know what to believe. City and Guilds confirmed the above, So I am going to take a 4 day tiling course and build my experience up and then arrange to be assessed for an NVQ as I am already full time employed as a floor layer and do not have the time to attend an day NVQ course as I am in work the same time the courses are ran.

 

[Dan]

I'm just bumping some of the tiling course & tiling training related threads. Ignore them if they're not current threads for you. They will drop back off the list in a week or so, and I don't do this much.