Why do i need an nvq by 2010?

[dannyr737]

most of the work i do is site work and i only have a basic skills cscs card,and if this nvq thing is true its the first i have heard of it,i lay terrazzo for a big company and can honestly say that i have never met a terrazzo tiler or ceramic tiler on a big supermarket job that was qualified in any way shape or form

 

[The D]

Both interesting comments there, and both very right. Training centre's are fidning it hard to get the right accreditation. You'll find most of the good ones have some backing from a governing body.

So just make sure you're calling the right training centre's when looking.

I think in many cases there is funding available.

You state in your post “You'll find most of the good ones have some backing from a governing body”. Inferring that the ones without accreditation are no good.
Although I think it is good for private centres to be accredited for NVQ or the ICA/ACA, do not make the mistake of thinking that the training in a centre that dose not offer NVQ or ICA/ACA is some how inferior. In fact it can sometimes mean the opposite. Where a non-accredited centre is free to cover the things they think a tiler needs to no and are not swamped with a mountain of paper work. Meaning that the trainers have more time to spend on the students instead of cutting there way thorough all the red tape. This is not true however of an accredited centre though I am not in any way putting down the centres that are accredited. On the contrary they have worked very hard to gain accreditation and as I said they have had to jump through a lot of hoops but the fact is that they have to answer to the governing body and this can sometimes be a hindrance rather than a help.
Just in case there is any confusion as to where I stand. I am in favour of a competent and qualified work force but do still see a place for training centres that offer just the practical training.
By the way it is grate to have a place to debate these issue

 

[Daz]

Is your card a trade specific or is it a labourer’s card eg is it blue or green

Hmmm..
It's white and on the back it says that I am a "Specialist Wall Tiler ONLY"

Have I got a duff one???? :mad2:

 

[The D]

Hmmm..
It's white and on the back it says that I am a "Specialist Wall Tiler ONLY"

Have I got a duff one???? :mad2:

No its not duff but you are only covered for wall tiling. It depends on the site agent as to whether he pulls you on it. I suspect at the moment no one will be to bothered but as we get closer to 2010 it will become much stricter and if your card is not the one for the job you are doing then you will not be allowed to work.
They have changed the rules since you did the test for the card you have.
When you go to get the wall and floor tiling card it will only be valid for one year. In that year you have to achieve the NVQ or they will not renew it.

 

[Daz]

Thanks Deano,

That clears things up for me.
I've never done site work and don't really want to but, I got a CSCS just in case things didn't go to plan.

 

[The D]

most of the work i do is site work and i only have a basic skills cscs card,and if this nvq thing is true its the first i have heard of it,i lay terrazzo for a big company and can honestly say that i have never met a terrazzo tiler or ceramic tiler on a big supermarket job that was qualified in any way shape or form

Back in the day when I started tiling there was a roumor going around that you were going to have to where safety boots hard hats and high vis vests. No way! I said. That will never happen but look at us now.
You show me a site that lets you on with out your PPE and I will show you a cowboy outfit.

 

[Dan]

I think it would be a really good work force and that our tilers that derserve the work would get it, and paid at a decent price, if all the centre's were accredited though. And all the tiler's trained.

I think training centre's that are NOT working towards and NVQ are inferior to be frank. I think though tiling as a business does involve lots of practical - you do need the knowledge too - it's a finishing trade that has a lot of different products and applications and can be one of the most critisised by customers when it goes wrong.

I think the training centre's knocking the NVQ need to get a grip. It's not a distant impossible grade for the 'time served' tilers to get, and christ if I were in a trade where I knew I was elite and established I'd be the first to stick my workforce through it - what better selling point to new contactors or domestic customers?

I think a lot of the training centre's are knocking it because they've been knocked back by accreditation - and that's not fair to cause a fuss over the actual qualification for that reason alone - would they if they DID get approved? I don't think so. They'd be shouting about it as much as everybody who knows you need an NVQ by 2010 (not to get work - but to get easy work and a guaranteed job)

There are grants, it's often cheap if not free (not always) and the time-served tilers WILL fly though it. If you put £15 a month to onc side now JUST INCASE - then if you're struggling nearer the time you know you have some cash to go out and get yourself certified to the government backed training qualification.

I know we don't all like that - but we can't have our judgment blurred by views of some centre that's decided they're now better than the NVQ or the NVQ was never worth it for them (after they have applied and looked in to accreditation and have either been knokced back or just knew it's real hard work).

I think it's a shame to see newer tilers to be mislead - and the older ones to be used almost, as a tool to get their training centre work.

Speak to the right people and see what you think then - Tiling Courses - Tile Training Courses - Wall and Floor Tiling Course - Tiling NVQ - Tiling Courses & Tiling Course Companies

 

[Dan]

You state in your post “You'll find most of the good ones have some backing from a governing body”. Inferring that the ones without accreditation are no good.
Although I think it is good for private centres to be accredited for NVQ or the ICA/ACA, do not make the mistake of thinking that the training in a centre that dose not offer NVQ or ICA/ACA is some how inferior. In fact it can sometimes mean the opposite. Where a non-accredited centre is free to cover the things they think a tiler needs to no and are not swamped with a mountain of paper work. Meaning that the trainers have more time to spend on the students instead of cutting there way thorough all the red tape. This is not true however of an accredited centre though I am not in any way putting down the centres that are accredited. On the contrary they have worked very hard to gain accreditation and as I said they have had to jump through a lot of hoops but the fact is that they have to answer to the governing body and this can sometimes be a hindrance rather than a help.
Just in case there is any confusion as to where I stand. I am in favour of a competent and qualified work force but do still see a place for training centres that offer just the practical training.
By the way it is grate to have a place to debate these issue

I'd call that a DIY / homeowner course and not mislead those wanting to be a professional tiler though, don't you?

 

[The D]

I think it would be a really good work force and that our tilers that derserve the work would get it, and paid at a decent price, if all the centre's were accredited though. And all the tiler's trained.
I think training centre's that are NOT working towards and NVQ are inferior to be frank. I think though tiling as a business does involve lots of practical - you do need the knowledge too - it's a finishing trade that has a lot of different products and applications and can be one of the most critisised by customers when it goes wrong.
I think the training centre's knocking the NVQ need to get a grip. It's not a distant impossible grade for the 'time served' tilers to get, and christ if I were in a trade where I knew I was elite and established I'd be the first to stick my workforce through it - what better selling point to new contactors or domestic customers?
I think a lot of the training centre's are knocking it because they've been knocked back by accreditation - and that's not fair to cause a fuss over the actual qualification for that reason alone - would they if they DID get approved? I don't think so. They'd be shouting about it as much as everybody who knows you need an NVQ by 2010 (not to get work - but to get easy work and a guaranteed job)
There are grants, it's often cheap if not free (not always) and the time-served tilers WILL fly though it. If you put £15 a month to onc side now JUST INCASE - then if you're struggling nearer the time you know you have some cash to go out and get yourself certified to the government backed training qualification.
I know we don't all like that - but we can't have our judgment blurred by views of some centre that's decided they're now better than the NVQ or the NVQ was never worth it for them (after they have applied and looked in to accreditation and have either been knokced back or just knew it's real hard work).
I think it's a shame to see newer tilers to be mislead - and the older ones to be used almost, as a tool to get their training centre work.
Speak to the right people and see what you think then - Tiling Courses - Tile Training Courses - Wall and Floor Tiling Course - Tiling NVQ - Tiling Courses & Tiling Course Companies

Firstly I am not knocking the NVQ or the centres that offer it.
Secondly I do not agree that all centres that do not offer NVQ are inferior or misleading. Neither are you justified in giving all centres that do not offer NVQ a
Verbal bashing. Some of the centres run very good practical courses. I find it distasteful that you can knock these curses when that is how some of you own sponsors started
If you new any thing at all about the NVQ system I would probably have a little more respect for your opinion.
I my self am a 25 year time served wall and floor tiler with my one fixing company (and by the way all my fixers are qwald up) and I hold the full level 3 Learning and Development Award and the individual ‘L’ units, and I am also an A1 approved Awarding Body assessor for ICA/ACA NVQ level 2 and NVQ level 3 so I think my commitment to the NVQ system is proven what are your Qwals m8???
I think plugging your sponsors has gone to your head little.

 

[The D]

I'd call that a DIY / homeowner course and not mislead those wanting to be a professional tiler though, don't you?

No i do not I call misleading telling people you are independent when you clearly are NOT!