200sqm floor, prep discussion

Lee, I wouldn’t uncouple with porcelain, Those tiles have a lot of joints to take up some expansion, plus use an expansion strip every 8m, soft joint in each doorway, and perimeter expansion gap. The cracks are only a concern if they are fairly wide, as in you can get a coin in
 
Lee, I wouldn’t uncouple with porcelain, Those tiles have a lot of joints to take up some expansion, plus use an expansion strip every 8m, soft joint in each doorway, and perimeter expansion gap. The cracks are only a concern if they are fairly wide, as in you can get a coin in

thanks for the response, i hear what you are saying with regards decoupler, i didn't quote for it originally, its the expansion joints using a timber effect ive an issue with aesthetically.

being thick now, soft joint?
 
I know what you are saying lee about having a break across the tiles, how large are the bigger areas ?
 
ok, so similar situation i found myself involved in.

270m2 ground floor house. anhydrite screed. few cracks appearing now in screed as UFH has been turned on (even thou the laitance hasn't been took off yet, thats another story)

tiles being used are 22.5x85 wood planks.

having just costed the expansion strips and matting, customer isnt happy with extra costs......

so what to do? No decoupler and use expansion strips? Or decouple and no expansion strips?
Did a very similar job Lee, I decoupled throughout and used expansion joints on thresholds where it changed from room to room with the underfloor heating. Belt and braces I know but I can sleep at night haha
Chris
 
Petty hate of mine tile shops specifying jobs when they haven't seen the room and are relying on information given to them by amateurs .
I know you said offering advice but that then gets translated as the man in the tile shop said .
 
Petty hate of mine tile shops specifying jobs when they haven't seen the room and are relying on information given to them by amateurs .
I know you said offering advice but that then gets translated as the man in the tile shop said .

mmmmm......dont really know how to take that tbh.....

said man in the tile shop (me) has been in this tile shop for 24 years.....hardly amateur......

oh, and ive seen the job, ive been twice. its a nice job and one i gave to the tiler......and the tiler has just as much experience as me if not more. but hes not afraid to ask, im not afraid to find out and it is how i do business.
 
mmmmm......dont really know how to take that tbh.....

said man in the tile shop (me) has been in this tile shop for 24 years.....hardly amateur......

oh, and ive seen the job, ive been twice. its a nice job and one i gave to the tiler......and the tiler has just as much experience as me if not more. but hes not afraid to ask, im not afraid to find out and it is how i do business.
I apologise you have seen the job usually advice is given by tile shop when job hasn't been seen . Specifying relying on information from amateurs being the householder .
you never ask the tile shop you deal with for advice @jcrtiling ?
No I don't . If I want to know if a product is suitable for a certain application I speak to relevant tech department and ask for written confirmation of what they are saying.
 
A friend of mine who is a roofer was going to tile his kitchen floor. He asked me in the end. The Tile shop which stock Bal gave him rapid pourable glue at a million pounds a bag. How on earth would he have managed ? It was July ! Experienced staff in those shops are few and far between ! Well done Lee for knowing your onions 🙂
 
And in I wade to retailers side of the net.

No I don't . If I want to know if a product is suitable for a certain application I speak to relevant tech department and ask for written confirmation of what they are saying.

If they are not going to get asked questions about projects, maybe all tile shops should just be cash and carry then. Don't need experienced sales staff to offer recommendations. Just a Muppet who knows nothing keeping his eye on the self service checkout will be fine....... Reality check? Will the technical department you phone come and physically look every single job before they advise what you need? Do you really get every conversation in writing? And do you have that little confidence in what you are doing that you actually need it in writing?

Yes 99 times out of 100, the retailer can only go by the information they are given but that is the same as any technical department at the end of a phone line so there is no difference is there? But they both ask the right questions to paint the best possible picture and advise accordingly. If the client/tiler doesn't know the answer, send them off to find out.

If Lee hadn't seen the job but was told everything in great detail as to the substrate, prep and subsequent cracks appearing, would the advise he gives be any different? Probably not, but it doesn't automatically mean he's wrong. You should give most (won't say "all" cuz we know it's bollux) retailers some credit for knowing what they are talking about. Where do you think their training comes from? Couldn't possibly be from the very same technical departments you are quick to jump to for the answer...... or could it?
 
anyway.......back to topic.......went to site today and met client and tiler. Client has been advised best practice is to decouple floor and also as there are no structural movements joints they can use the dural micro joint infill (cant be used if to replace structural movement joints, i learnt that today!)

client obvs not best pleased theres another 5k on the bill......but ive said its upto them whether they do as recommended.
 
And in I wade to retailers side of the net.



If they are not going to get asked questions about projects, maybe all tile shops should just be cash and carry then. Don't need experienced sales staff to offer recommendations. Just a Muppet who knows nothing keeping his eye on the self service checkout will be fine....... Reality check? Will the technical department you phone come and physically look every single job before they advise what you need? Do you really get every conversation in writing? And do you have that little confidence in what you are doing that you actually need it in writing?

Yes 99 times out of 100, the retailer can only go by the information they are given but that is the same as any technical department at the end of a phone line so there is no difference is there? But they both ask the right questions to paint the best possible picture and advise accordingly. If the client/tiler doesn't know the answer, send them off to find out.

If Lee hadn't seen the job but was told everything in great detail as to the substrate, prep and subsequent cracks appearing, would the advise he gives be any different? Probably not, but it doesn't automatically mean he's wrong. You should give most (won't say "all" cuz we know it's bollux) retailers some credit for knowing what they are talking about. Where do you think their training comes from? Couldn't possibly be from the very same technical departments you are quick to jump to for the answer...... or could it?
When I speak to tech .
I've been to see the job .
Not relying on what a householder( amateur )has told me .
I am a professional so I know what I'm looking when describing issues to tech department .
The reason for writing is not confidence in my own ability it's confidence in what I'm being told as I have been told how this product will be ok for that application and when I have asked for it in writing they have said no we can't do that as we haven't tested it for that, ( funny not so confident in your product now ) .
I'm not calling tile shop personnel Muppets I'm just saying why specify when you haven't seen the room and I did apologise for that statement as @Lee@TileTown corrected me on that and I don't mind apologising for that again.
 
A couple more points from a retail point of view.

Many of the guys on here are right at the top of their game - many of the "Tilers" that come into my shop and into many peoples' homes are, unfortunately, not. They therefore do need advice.

When dealing with householders we often like to give the customers a few pointers to make sure that their chosen tiler knows what he is doing, to try to avoid some of the disastrous tales we hear about on this forum.

Most retailers will be visited by Reps - who will pass on information about new products etc. It is then down to us to inform you guys, so you can start using these products. I'm sure that only a handful of you know what the new Tilemaster product is . . . .

I doubt whether any of us claim to be experts in fitting - we just try to accommodate everyone, experts, cowboys and homeowners.
 
anyone with any photos of wood effect planks/tiles fixed with an expansion joint?
Here you go Lee. Spot the movement joints. Matching colours to the grout - am I allowed to mention supplier.
As for your knowledge, I’d be inclined to call you before many of the so called Tech advice lines out there. Your knowledge is top class!

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So, theres been a slight plot twist in this 270m2 floor.

Turns out the screed has been commissioned and UFH turned on, however the laitance hasnt been removed. Tiler has hired machine to sand but not getting anywhere. (i know its baked on)

Anyone with a suggestion for what can be used? @Ajax123 ?
 

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