Dodgy tricks...

[AMtek]

I personally don't really understand adding 10% on and telling the customer that you have to charge for an extra 10% to compensate for cuts? why not just add 10% on to your meterage price? I always just give an all in price but if they ask for a meter rate I will just work out how many meters I think I will do in a day and divide my day rate by that. Every job is different so I don't really have a meterage price for domestic

 

[charlie1]

Interesting replies but we are missing my point. I'm getting more at bathroom companies who subcontract you to tile at an agreed M2 rate, once this rate has been agreed, how they try to shaft you on amount you think you are due. Here is one i am experiencing, 90% of the jobs i am getting from a company all have wet wall, this area is probably the easiest 6 m2 you will do in a bathroom leaving the other 14 - 16 m2 hindered by cutting round doors, windows and bulkheads. Makes me suspicious as the

Other tricks include no tiles on job upon arrival leaving you with either a fay off or you collect them yourself...etc...basically chancers, we all know the type

 

[AMtek]

In that situation could you not arrange to view the job before you start so you can put in a quote for the job? My first few jobs for a new company I make sure I view the job and agree a price before I'll book it in the diary

 

[Stef]

I personally don't really understand adding 10% on and telling the customer that you have to charge for an extra 10% to compensate for cuts? why not just add 10% on to your meterage price? I always just give an all in price but if they ask for a meter rate I will just work out how many meters I think I will do in a day and divide my day rate by that. Every job is different so I don't really have a meterage price for domestic

You don't tell the customer!!!
If you measure up a bathroom & it's bang on 20m2 the you MUST add on that 10% to cover wastage or you will be short of tiles, unless you are really lucky & your using 500x500 tiles & your room measures 3mx2.5m, then common sense states you will have very little wastage.
It was the 1st thing I was told when starting measuring my own jobs, god even the staff at B&Q will tell you to add 10%...

 

[Stef]

In that situation could you not arrange to view the job before you start so you can put in a quote for the job? My first few jobs for a new company I make sure I view the job and agree a price before I'll book it in the diary

The builders I work for I measure off a scale drawing (trade sheets).
The house isn't built before I get to measure for tiles.

 

[AMtek]

god even the staff at B&Q will tell you to add 10%...

I think everyone knows that you add on for waste when you tell the customer how many m2 of tiles they need. What if a customer asks for a m2 rate? do you tell them its x amount per m2 but you need to add on 10% for cuts?

 

[AMtek]

Why is this all turning into an argument anyway? there's no right or wrong way to estimate a job, do it however you want as long as your earning whatever you need to be at the end of the job.

 

[Brian the Tile]

Yes the staff would say that wouldnt they , to cover for all the broken ones, and oh have I got it wrong,you don't charge forthe exta tiles you are not fixing, if so lm sorry for my previous comments

 

[Brian the Tile]

You don't tell the customer!!!
If you measure up a bathroom & it's bang on 20m2 the you MUST add on that 10% to cover wastage or you will be short of tiles, unless you are really lucky & your using 500x500 tiles & your room measures 3mx2.5m, then common sense states you will have very little wastage.
It was the 1st thing I was told when starting measuring my own jobs, god even the staff at B&Q will tell you to add 10%...

you dont have a mtr rate for domestic? Why is that?

 

[AMtek]

Yes the staff would say that wouldnt they , to cover for all the broken ones, and oh have I got it wrong,you don't charge forthe exta tiles you are not fixing, if so lm sorry for my previous comments

They say add extra tiles over what the room actually measures because there is always going to be waster off the cut tiles. You don't charge for whole tiles that aren't fixed but people charge for the portion of the cut tile that isn't fixed

Don't have a m2 rate for domestic? is that aimed at me? if so its because I price jobs based on how many days I think the job will take because if the job is very awkward it is going to take a lot longer that 4 bare walls with no reveals, boxes, neiches, etc.

 

[Stef]

They say add extra tiles over what the room actually measures because there is always going to be waster off the cut tiles. You don't charge for whole tiles that aren't fixed but people charge for the portion of the cut tile that isn't fixed

Don't have a m2 rate for domestic? is that aimed at me? if so its because I price jobs based on how many days I think the job will take because if the job is very awkward it is going to take a lot longer that 4 bare walls with no reveals, boxes, neiches, etc.

You don't charge for whole tiles that aren't fixed?
So you will take half that tile off your measure?
It takes you longer to fit a cut tile as you need to cut it then fit it!!!

I go & measure up a job, it's 20m2 dead measure, I add on 10% wastage, I charge the job at 22m2.

I give up on this thread, honestly.

 

[Andy Allen]

Lol .......I gave up ages ago.

 

[Stef]

Lol .......I gave up ages ago.

Large WALL
Bang HEED..

 

[AMtek]

You don't charge for whole tiles that aren't fixed?
So you will take half that tile off your measure?

What you going on about now? it sounded to me like he thought that if you had half a box of tiles spare that weren't touched then you charged for fixing those as well which surely you don't.

I'm out. try and give some other opinions on how things could be done and people try to make out that you're some sort of idiot. No wonder there seems to be less and less people posting in the arms every week

 

[Stef]

What you going on about now? it sounded to me like he thought that if you had half a box of tiles spare that weren't touched then you charged for fixing those as well which surely you don't.

I'm out. try and give some other opinions on how things could be done and people try to make out that you're some sort of idiot. No wonder there seems to be less and less people posting in the arms every week

What I've been stating since the start of this thread is that there are comments that we are trying to rip peeps off because we are charging for the extra 10%.
You have to charge at a m2 that extra or you are short changing yourself & then your short on tiles.
What do people not get?
It's simples arithmetic, it's not Rocket Surgery..
There's no argument here, well not from me.

Amtek, reading back on what you posted I thought you only charged for half a tile?
I see reading back what your saying, but some on here can't grasp the concept of 10% wastage.