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Time's Ran Out
I feel really bad about the post I submitted now. Here's me thinking he had been on a 2 week course to learn our trade and that was going to make him a tiler. The last thing I would want to do is stop him from working at the expense of a qualified tradesman. Still he knew from the start how not to do it and in a way we just confirmed his options - yeah right! That's another pretender exposed.
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mz30
You know at some point we all learnt the hard way we were'nt all tilers who knew everything from the minute we learned to lay a tile ,i agree so called tilers shouldnt be asking advice on a job they cant do or have no knowledge on what should and should not be tiled.
The point i was trying to make was ,how did you guys learn? you either asked or you watched someone deal with a similar problem,i mean i have been in the tiling game for getting on 25 yrs and have only had to deal with a handful of quotes for floating floors and the first one was only around 10 yrs ago,so from my point of view someone can go years and years without this cropping up,so why cant they ask on a Tile forum for help without being belittled or made to feel like an idiot,seems to me that a few guys let that trusted advisor tag go to their heads, if you dont want to help then dont post negative stuff it serves no purpose.
The point i was trying to make was ,how did you guys learn? you either asked or you watched someone deal with a similar problem,i mean i have been in the tiling game for getting on 25 yrs and have only had to deal with a handful of quotes for floating floors and the first one was only around 10 yrs ago,so from my point of view someone can go years and years without this cropping up,so why cant they ask on a Tile forum for help without being belittled or made to feel like an idiot,seems to me that a few guys let that trusted advisor tag go to their heads, if you dont want to help then dont post negative stuff it serves no purpose.
my own expertise is substrates and a smattering of soft flooring and materials but it does not take experience or training to realise that you should not and cannot successfully tile a floor of any type that has "plenty of bounce" ... That requires common sense. If you place a sheet of glass on top of a sponge and then stand on it the glass will break.
Now then, if a tiler takes on a job of that nature with that knowledge he is guilty of negligence and if and when it fails he would be liable. If he takes on the job but does not know that it is not a suitable substrate then he is guilty of accepting a contract for which he does it have the bpnecessary expertise to fulfil and as such would be considered negligent so likewise when it fails he would be liable. I am not a tiler. I have never no even been on a tiling course although I have run quite a few on tiling to anhydrite screeds.
Common sense ought to be enough to ring serious alarm bells but my career to date has taught me that lots of people dont have common sense these days so i guess you have to rely on training. if a two week course does not teach you that tiles are rigid and adhesives are rigid and rigid strata will break when flexed then the course is frankly not worth going on.
My initial response to then OP was a little flippant. I am big enough to apologise if i cause offence when the written word does not convey the colloquial sentiment. however i maintain, jus like the OP, that my question was also serious because I foolishly believed that it was a wind up based on the fact that I cannot imagine that a professional tiler would even envisage tiling a floor of any type that has "plenty of bounce" let alone a floating floor.
My posts, at least I hope, are usually helpful, sensible and based n sound technical knowledge, experience and tempered with common sense. If the mods and the admins and the general populace in the forums disagree then I will happily accept censure. I will not however accept censure from anyone for saying what I believe is sensible... Even if it is sometimes flippant.
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sup m8 you don’t like me having a green tag m8 you can have it. Sorry you did not like my post but it was just a bit sarcastic unlike your post to me which was just being rude and to be honest you come across as a bit of a big girl
Oh noooo!! ;-p
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charlie1
Have to agree with mz30 on this.
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mz30
Ajax my post where in no way aimed at one person just a genralisation,the point of the matter was once the op stated it was a serious question then why do people degrade the guy he has obviously came here for help on a problem he has never come across.
As it went on people where rude to the guy,the site is here for helping people tiling? or have i missed something,the arms is for pro's
i just dont see the point of people who represent the site as trusted advisors slaggin people off for asking questions before they have all the facts ,we are all guilty of not posting what we mean our posts to sound like but if people keep posting derogatory comments then no-one will recommend the site as a place for good advice.
As it went on people where rude to the guy,the site is here for helping people tiling? or have i missed something,the arms is for pro's
i just dont see the point of people who represent the site as trusted advisors slaggin people off for asking questions before they have all the facts ,we are all guilty of not posting what we mean our posts to sound like but if people keep posting derogatory comments then no-one will recommend the site as a place for good advice.
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mz30
Deano nah am not intrested in a green tag mate i just post my honest opinion,wasnt the case that i didnt like your post thought it was quite funny actually,but i didnt see what relevance it had to the thread,as my post above whats the point in having a tilers forum when people ask for help and are ridiculed,and if my post was rude i apologise but telling me to kiss your big fat one and me being a big girl is acceptable then shows your level of intellect.
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Mark S
This kind of went viral.
To try and help the guy, I would suggest taking out the polystyrene balls, whatever depth they are!, replace with polystyrene boards or something similar to provide either an acoustic or thermal base. Then screed, depending on time scales from the client re when the job needs to be done, there are umpteen screeds that are dry to receive tiles after 24 hours, I would prefer to see a Gyvlon screed used obviously.
If the guy is still genuinely after some advise he can private message me and I'll do what I can to help.
To try and help the guy, I would suggest taking out the polystyrene balls, whatever depth they are!, replace with polystyrene boards or something similar to provide either an acoustic or thermal base. Then screed, depending on time scales from the client re when the job needs to be done, there are umpteen screeds that are dry to receive tiles after 24 hours, I would prefer to see a Gyvlon screed used obviously.
If the guy is still genuinely after some advise he can private message me and I'll do what I can to help.
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Mr T
i totally agree with this post this guy is cleary out in the deep end here ive got a bit of knowledge and i wouldnt even dare go and price up a 30 metre floor i mean im confident enough my tiling would be better than council standard but would only take small jobs and hes there talking about how hes gonna tile on what sounds like a trampoline it sounds like he shouldnt even be in any sort of trade to be so foolish hes obviously got no common sense
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ianflem
All,
Having read through this post to which I agree with the majority of points
made from both sides....lol
WHY are the adhesive suppliers (several of) claiming their adhesives are suitable
for "Floating Floors" ?
Ian.
Having read through this post to which I agree with the majority of points
made from both sides....lol
WHY are the adhesive suppliers (several of) claiming their adhesives are suitable
for "Floating Floors" ?
Ian.
really..?? can you name some, most ive spoke to won't..
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DHTiling
Hi ian .. Adhesive comps do state that a floating floor must have virtually zero deflection... a floor that deflects will not be suitable for any adhesive comp to warrant the use of their products.
As always it is wise to speak to the adhesive comp which one shall be using at said time.
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ianflem
Hi Andy,
Check out the links below both clearly state that they are suitable for floating floors
Tilemaster Adhesives Limited
Granfix Ultimate flex floor tile adhesive White - Ultimateflex white - Horncastle Tiles Ltd
Personally I would'nt touch one,But the manufacturers obviously support there product
for these type of applications.One even states "Perfect for Floating floors" ?!
Check out the links below both clearly state that they are suitable for floating floors
Tilemaster Adhesives Limited
Granfix Ultimate flex floor tile adhesive White - Ultimateflex white - Horncastle Tiles Ltd
Personally I would'nt touch one,But the manufacturers obviously support there product
for these type of applications.One even states "Perfect for Floating floors" ?!
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ianflem
Thanks for the clarification Dave !
Its another case of doesnt do what is says on the tin/bag !
Small print I suppose.
Cheers
Ian.
Its another case of doesnt do what is says on the tin/bag !
Small print I suppose.
Cheers
Ian.
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DHTiling
I think it is mate... but i do agree it is wrong the way it is worded on bags... it should ALWAYS state about excessive movement .. see the thing is these adhesive are designed to adhere etc but it is the tiles that fail.. so where is the guarantee when tiles crack and the adhesive is intact..?
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Dougs Third Go
I've actually come across OP, decent guy imo. Where, I wonder, did we all learn that floating floors shouldn't be tiled on?, was it something that we genetically inherited "don't tile floating floors" gene, or was it something we were taught, or maybe somehow along the line had the absolute audacity to ask? I can see the humour in some replies and had a giggle, but some posters need to get their heads outta their butts...unless of course they have the "know it all" gene.
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ianflem
lol,Ur guess would b as good as mine,But as you will know with the Tiler ultimatley !
Point is now proved chaps !
Regards
Ian.
Point is now proved chaps !
Regards
Ian.
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DHTiling
I kept out of it Doug.. wasn't the best thread to read IMO..
as for your question... i learnt the hard way.. tiled one with bounce a lot of yrs ago when green as grass and whoops ... never knew at the time it was a floater but lesson learned.. at least i admit it...
I do have a method i might use on small floaters when zero bounce and it works .. but large floors then nah.. i say nope. 🙂
as for your question... i learnt the hard way.. tiled one with bounce a lot of yrs ago when green as grass and whoops ... never knew at the time it was a floater but lesson learned.. at least i admit it...
I do have a method i might use on small floaters when zero bounce and it works .. but large floors then nah.. i say nope. 🙂
well I never, I always thought you couldnt get anything more flexible than bal single part fast flex, and the last time I checked not even they would guarantee it on a floating floor, even if it did stick the tiles would prob's crack, so your still no better off....lol
where I live doug, it must be the floating floor mecca of great Britain, we have whole eastate's built with the bloody things, and ive been called out to many off them that have been tiled on and failed miserably ....
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DHTiling
Andy ... i have been to floaters that have been tiled yrs and not one single crack or grout popping.. work that out 🙂
But let's not type away from the fact that if a floor deflects then it should not be tiled straight onto..
But let's not type away from the fact that if a floor deflects then it should not be tiled straight onto..
Well , seeing as you're asking. 🙂
I went to price a job in Bristol some 15-20 years ago , first floating floor I'd come across. It had lino down all through the hallway and into the kitchen diner and what first struck me was I could see all the ridges ( joins ) in the chipboard coming through the lino. Now having seen a chipboard job with cracks all along tiles where the chipboard joins were when I first started tiling - we tiling a pool there and someone else had tiled this floor before we got there - I was already wary of chipboard.
So , I got a mate of mine was a rep at the time to come with me and have a look . He was hmming and harring about ply then fast flex , then we got to the joints in the chipboard being fulcrums over which tiles could crack and I was already walking out of the door.
But what finally nailed it was when he stood in the door way and sort of jumped up and down , the floor was moving by probably 5mm-10mm. At which point I turned to customer and politely recommended more soft flooring.
So no , I didn't inherit it and luckily for me I didn't learn the hard way. I learnt by doing my research and checking it out then making the decision to walk away.
So to give the op his due he is doing the correct thing by doing his research , but he also needs to ignore the dafty posts on here - which are part and parcel of a forum like this imho - and sort the wheat from the chaff as it were.
Diggy 🙂
For crying out loud. It has nothing what so ever to do with the adhesive.
There is no doubt that a floating floor can be successfully tiled IF it is designed to be suitable. Any flexible tile adhesive would be suitable to stick tiles onto a floating floor. This thread is about a floating floor that bounces. Floors that bounce are not suitable to receive tiles....
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SJPurdy
That's interesting - I seem to remember that the 2 part fast flex was stated as suitable! It seems that BAL have realised its not a good idea to tile on floaters.
There are similar tiling threads here
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