How would licencing effect you

[jay]

If it became law and you needed a licence to tile how do you think it would help you or do you hate the idea of licencing

 

[nybor62]

i would welcome it, but doubt it will ever happen, and i suppose there would be some costs involved , like the cscs card rip off

 

[Del W]

2 posts on this ?

 

[jay]

2 posts on this ?

yes two questions

 

[Del W]

Theres already a type of licence for site work,but its not enforced,CSCS card.and I dont mean just the H&S part.Ive seen all types of trades(including sparks & gas fitters) at inductions show a bit of paper that says theyve passed the H&S test,its a 10 minute multiple choice, but dont have the card to say they have been assessed & can do their job correctly.Started out as a good idea but not enforced.

 

[Del W]

i would welcome it, but doubt it will ever happen, and i suppose there would be some costs involved , like the cscs card rip off

Same..

 

[bobbynz]

Would this work?
The builder/developer or homeowner should only get permission to build if the tradesmen were certified. The enforcement would come from the local government building authorities who will only grant permission to start the project if they use certified tradesmen.
During the build ,structure and waterproofing will be tested and assessed before (for instance) the Tiler can proceed.
The owner/builder wont pay the tradesmen unless they sight and record their license for a final sign off the job. Unless this happens you cant move in.
If you think you can get away with not even asking for permission for a reno project, for example, then it will be you in front of a judge explaining yourself, when the new owners find a problem or (like over here)you ask for a LIM report (which is a record of all work carried out legally and produced)and it shows up all the illegal and unregistered work you have done on the cheap a few years ago.
Regulated and enforced....the sooner the better!!!

 

[jay]

There is a part of Tas were you have to sigh off on waterproofing with all details or the new build wont get final pass

 

[bobbynz]

Yeah we have the same Jay, its called a producer statement, and it has to be presented to the owner/builder once you have completed the job. It details what materials and procedure you used to complete a certain aspect of the project, eg. Waterproofing. Council wont sign the project off without it.

 

[jay]

Yes its an interesting concept makes tilers more accountable

 

[bobbynz]

It also means you get paid before you hand it over. No money = no council approval.

 

[Perry]

It would be great but the guys they have at the moment with the nvq couldn't do it they haven't the skill the clever guys with skill like the Dave's of this world they would want to pay them peanuts so we would get monkeys in charge instead its money money money over here IMO

 

[Dan]

I think it'd be a really good thing and our industry needs it. There are waaaaaay too many 'handymen' and 'builders' doing tiling incorrectly and in the long-run it just costs the customer more, and prevent the good tilers from getting the work and charging the right prices.

I think not just the underfloor heating and wetrooms part of tiling work but all wall and floor tiling jobs over and above a certain square meterage should have to be carried out by a tiler with the right grades and signed off with a certificate. But then I also think the grades need to be easily given (and for free if tilers are paying an annual fee to be 'registered' anyway) to those who are time-served and have been doing it for decades. Perhaps a couple of on-site visits like the NVQ side of things can be.

But yes, I really do think it'd be a very very good idea.

 

[DHTiling]

Bring it on, time to rid the market of muppets...

 

[Gall.B]

Agree with Dave, should be the same for every trade as well.

 

[jay]

Interesting ,thanks for the replies .seems to be a lot just reading .Does make you wonder

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

As Dave says, "bring it on" the people who are skilled have nothing to fear. were-as the cowboys would be sussed. A true regulation for the building industry ( especially tiling) is long overdue imo. Plumbers/ Electricians are regulated and can't just talk a good job, why not tilers?

 

[The D]

It can only be a good thing for the professional tiler and it will stop all the other trades jumping on the band wagon saying yes we will tile that for you no need to get a tiler.

 

[Stewart]

I'm all for it and the sooner the better, though I do think anything close to getting the trade properly regulated is several years off at best.....


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[Spud]

It is not just a skills test it should also be based on how reputable and responsible a tradesman is ,I know a skilful tiler who is a complete liability and never finishes a job and goes from one customer/contractor to another leaving work half finished ,he does have ability but no integrity.
hopefully a licensing scheme would protect customers from this type of person

 

[Alan M]

as a "handyman". id agree that all trades need to be regulated. there is some tiling done by amatures that is both great and horrable and the same for pros.

all trades are the same . iv seen some terable carpentry done .
iv seen outside doors pvc fitted with a stud frame and plasterboard and skim . outside:yikes:

the trouble with all this regulation is that it would stop us all doing other little bits on jobs. it would eventually get to a point where you cant do anything without a mountain of certs and paperwork.
im sure most people on here have done a bit of
plumbing (moving something out of the way)
electrical ( moving sockets etc)
building stud work
building boxs around pipes and baths etc
painted a wall etc for someone when you were there doing up there bathroom.


technically you should have cerrts do all those but everyone does little bits extra on jobs that arent in your job description

 

[Perry]

Bring it on, time to rid the market of muppets...

what would you be worth Dave ? lol

 

[The D]

what would you be worth Dave ? lol

£17.50 per hour If you have an assessors qual and a teaching qual and an NVQ3

 

[AMtek]

i think its a great idea, would thin out the monkeys charging peanuts so prices would go up not down, it would be better for the customer as the chances they would need to pay twice would be minimised and fewer tilers in general would mean more work for the good tilers.

But on the other hand there are good tilers out there who are struggling as it is and having to get a ticket to tile would possibly push them into early retirement, change career etc.

On the whole though licensing gets a definate thumbs up from me!

 

[FrankM]

Thought I'd throw in how licensing works in AUS.

Licensing is currently run on a state level, with New South Wales and Queensland the only two states where licensing is required.

Under Queensland regulations, anyone carrying out building work of any kind valued higher than $3000 must be licensed through a government run department, the Building Services Authority.
The $3000 value includes labour and materials, so for a tiler, it also includes the value of the tiles. All builders must be licensed and are required to only engage subcontractors who also hold a license.
All license classes allow you to do "Incidental work of another class". So you can do small scale plastering, carpentry work without having to bring another guy in, except for plumbing and electrical work.

When and if things go wrong, the consumer registers a complaint with the Authority who is required to take action. If the work done is unsatisfactory or faulty and does not comply with Australian Standards or manufacturer's recommendations, the Authority will issue a "Direction to Rectify" to the head contractor. By that I mean, if a builder is involved and he has engaged a tiler, the direction goes to the builder as he has the overall contract with the client. He than has to sort it out with the tiler.

The direction is enforceable and failure to rectify result in prosecution, fines and demerit points. This system has been in place in Queensland since the late 1990's and starting this year, national licensing is being brought in, although no-one knows how it's going to work yet.

Now then.......

Is licensed contracting being enforced? Not really. They try, but it's almost impossible to track unlicensed "tradesman" down.
Has it improved the quality of workmanship? No
Has it reduced the number of cowboys? No, in fact, most of the have been handed a license.

I don't want to but a downer on the whole licensing thing because I thinks it's needed, but if regulation is in place, it needs to be done better.