i like butt jointing tiles

[DHTiling]

Not all B&Q tiles are bad.......just some of the chinese stuff is rubbish.....

Anyway the tiles are ok lads....so back to what sus is to do about prep...

 

[faithhealer]

back to the ufh then. You talk about your expensive devi mat but are prepared to waste 'lecky' warming up two layers of tiles and ply. Devi mat on insulation boards with screed and a layer of tiles warms a cold conservatory up in only one hour. You shouldn't have to leave it on!

 

[Grace'sDad]

in a black box from Portugal micro bevel.

There's the difference then - the bad 'uns are Chinese.
Some of us can get a bit "prickly" over B&Q, but you're right; they're not all bad.
Some of the ceramics are a joy to use. And their raw terracotta aint bad either.

 

[Spud]

Sorry guys I have to disagree, I may not be a tiling god or even a full time tiller but these b&q tiles are pukka porcelain and they do them every now and again I saw them last in November in chocolate. I bought two pallets of these two years ago and I would put them up against any of the £80+ a meter Italian or porcelanosa ones I have bought since (for quality maybe not for design) they may not be as hard as the Chinese ones but all as straight as a die and floorless. May be you are talking about ceramic cheap ones.

the porcelain from band q is soluble salts porcelain ,it is a cheaper porcelain and is inferior in quailty to the italian produced porcelain which is predominately a clay /basalt and feltspar dust mix which uses virgin raw materials ,in laymans terms the italian tiles will be harder hold thear polish longer and have a longer wear than the soluble salt equivalent which i wouldnt use on a high traffic floor hope this helps

 

[LM Ceramics]

butt jointing tiles ive only seen is on new houses and that was to save time no floor tiles should be butt jointed as said in previous post one to allow for movement and 2 it looks awful for a start

i was on a job in blackburn i was doing the bathrooms and another tiler was tiling the kitchen as i didnt have time to complete the job he was brought in to help me by the customer who charged twice as much as me and tiled a kitchen and conservatory floor using galaxy granite on plywood butt jointed no expansion joints and the total area was 35 m2 i warned the customer but they werent having any of it and even said they preffered it butt jointed i told them of the dangers of failure

 

[LM Ceramics]

i did a bathroom floor in 600x600 polished porcelain from b&q and id say never again you get what you pay for in tiles i think i would always advise my customers to buy tiles from a tile retailer and avoid b&q if possible

 

[lucius]

If you want your tiles butt jointed i can reccomend a million Spanish tilers to do it and they will also come back and do it next year again when its all popped up,personaly i dont use spacers on floors long straight edges and a tape cant go wrong.
Andy

 

[disco]

@lucius Great idea using long straight edges do you have milled alluminium straight edges? What do you use?

 

[cam_low]

Really disco! A thread from 2009 lol!!!!!
i think the clue was in the name, it was certainly a bit sus!!!!

 

[Dougs Third Go]

methinks OP has been on sparky's forum with the original thread title...

 

[AliGage]

I'm still scratching my head as to where i can find this long straight edge. I must have something amoung all my tools that will do............LOL :mad2:

 

[Brian the Tile]

we always used straight edges more so when sand & cement fixing ,when tilers were tilers not just lid kickers tiling bathroom walls and splashbacks,most on here will never have use sand & cement and wouldnt know were to start

 

[AliGage]

I was aiming for a touch of sarcasim in my post. I ahve two sets of levels. One for dabbing boards and using as a straigh edge, and a clean set for setting, marking and installing furniture, cabinets etc.

 

[lucius]

I was aiming for a touch of sarcasim in my post. I ahve two sets of levels. One for dabbing boards and using as a straigh edge, and a clean set for setting, marking and installing furniture, cabinets etc.

The straight edges i use in Spain are shop bought 100mm x 18mm and are a nice bit of kit, ime in the U.K. now and am using the aluminium ledgers of an old youngmans board which rotted away on my mates garage roof.

 

[disco]

Ive used my aluminium screed rules before but wondered whether there was a specific tool.

 

[afright]

we always used straight edges more so when sand & cement fixing ,when tilers were tilers not just lid kickers tiling bathroom walls and splashbacks,most on here will never have use sand & cement and wouldnt know were to start

So true give some so called tilers a sand & cement floor they would not know how to start.

 

[peteablard]

Originally Posted by Brian the Tile
we always used straight edges more so when sand & cement fixing ,when tilers were tilers not just lid kickers tiling bathroom walls and splashbacks,most on here will never have use sand & cement and wouldnt know were to start

So true give some so called tilers a sand & cement floor they would not know how to start.

so unless you've laid on sand and cement you're not a real tiler? Guess I'll get back to kicking lids then........

 

[glasgow_tiler]

spent some of my hardest days in my apprenticeship doing sand cement screeding and rendering, what a nightmare but it was good to learn and is very handy to know, plus at the time the skillstest at the end of your time required it to be done, but yeah a lot of the younger tilers wouldnt have a scooby how to do it

 

[jonnyc]

refina do box section straight edges.
i always use 3x2 inch box section straight edge 2.50 lin mts (not feather edge)
i have never used anything else and we set our levels on top of these edges
if you go longer than 3m they start to flex..

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Ditto Jonny, ideal for semi dry screeding.

 

[Aston]

rendering in sand and cement takes a few months to get the hang of but floor screeding isnt that difficult.
i reckon any half decent tiler would be well on their way after a couple of weeks practice.

just buy a few bags of sharp sand, wet it down a bit so it stays in a ball in your hand then practice forming some dots to form screeds. then practice ruling off between the dots...thats the bit that takes a couple of weeks to get the hang of.

floor screeding is a bit over hyped and over feared imho..

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Ed I prefare screeding to tiling if I am honest, set your dots compact, set your screeds/runners compact, fill in your bay, I use a 3m box section as Jonnyc compact bay as you go. I rearly use a plastic/wood float, I use my wrists to work the screed through the rule. I use a bigben trowel or plastic float to spread/compact the screed, a couple of good labourers when laying 25ton of ready mix come in handy.

I have burnt my knees a few times, as you say it is just a technique that once mastered comes in handy time and time again. As long as you don't dig in your screeds/runners you will finish up with a perfectly flat floor. I hate following bad screeders, knowing I could do better myself.

 

[charlie1]

Ed, we had interesting discussion about the techniques I.volved and I appreciate your knowledge! I am envious of the ways many of you old school tilers on here get your walls plumb! I tend to rely on making my walls flat with bedding out more adhesive or dry lining but I'd like to try using plumb dots.

 

[Aston]

Ed, we had interesting discussion about the techniques I.volved and I appreciate your knowledge! I am envious of the ways many of you old school tilers on here get your walls plumb! I tend to rely on making my walls flat with bedding out more adhesive or dry lining but I'd like to try using plumb dots.

well thats nice mate
but i am not an old school tiler, that title is for phil and the other lads on here but i can render and i can floor screed to within a 1mm of my life so i'll take that part of the compliment ;0)

and as i said before, anytime you want to come down to the north west, i'll show you how to do some. might get chance to visit carlsberg too??

ps carlsberg is phil hobsons new nickname....probably the best tiler in the world lol ;0)

 

[charlie1]

well thats nice mate
but i am not an old school tiler, that title is for phil and the other lads on here but i can render and i can floor screed to within a 1mm of my life so i'll take that part of the compliment ;0)

and as i said before, anytime you want to come down to the north west, i'll show you how to do some. might get chance to visit carlsberg too??

ps carlsberg is phil hobsons new nickname....probably the best tiler in the world lol ;0)

Ed, i soubt he would agree with you as he is too modest!! It would be great to meet up again and meet the legend!!

Ps, the dewalt is soooo sweet to use!