Is this normal tiling standard?

[Time's Ran Out]

The amount you paid extra shouldn't be a factor in whether the job is done properly or not, and as the tiler wouldn't have received no more than £20 for this work, then it's the builder who is pulling a fast one!
This is an issue between you and your builder as the contractor and it's his responsibility to arrange another tiler for you to have it corrected if that's the route you want to take.
It may be time for some on the forum who have posted, and could make it a better job, and live close to offer assistance.
Hope you get it resolved.

 

[Colour Republic]

The amount you paid extra shouldn't be a factor in whether the job is done properly or not, and as the tiler wouldn't have received no more than £20 for this work, then it's the builder who is pulling a fast one!

I think that'sn un-fair John. You have no idea what the builder had to do to get those recesses in there and this general view that builders go out to rip customers and tilers off all the time does grate on me. I certainly didn't screw you on price when you came and did those bathrooms for me, in fact you had free rein to charge what you wanted and the tiny mark up I made didn't even cover my time to sort it all out but I was happy to do so just to make the customer happy as you know first hand.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Morning Rob!
Not sure how work I completed in Brighton direct to your customer has any relevance to this thread, unless you are suggesting the price you advertised, and which I charged, was excessive for the stonework involved? That particular job had a reccess in the downstairs Travertine shower room at no extra cost and was formed and tiled with rounded edges by myself.
If your point is 'builders profits' then perhaps another thread should be started to discuss it.
John.

 

[Colour Republic]

No I don't think the stone work you did in Brighton was excessive, i thought it was a good rate for skilled work. It's the fact people in this thread (and countless other threads) suggest tilers are always getting screwed by builders to do the cheapest job possible, that the £150 was excessive and that the tiler wouldn't have got any extra for it saying it went straight in the builders pocket, which is un-fair. Firstly because nobody knows what went it to those recesses, it could have cost virtually nothing as part of the build or it could have been very tricky with alterations and repairs needed in both the wetroom and the room on the other side. Nobody knows.

I'm not having a go at you personally I'm just tired of hearing how builders are so bad and people passing judgement from a set of 3 photos. Tilers are always saying on here how builders don't appreciate the work involved and I think the same is true the other way round. Either that or people are just use to working for crap builders.

Is that acceptable tiling around the recess? Yes it is if it meets the customers expectations and it is reflected in a cheap price, but the customer was charged extra for those works and it doesn't sound like the customer was shopping on price but on quality and so no it isn't acceptable and should be redone.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

You are no doubt IMHO, and with 1st hand experience, one of the exceptional craftsmen who does provide the desired results for your clients and I was more than happy to work for your customer last year.
I also acknowledge that you have the right to defend your profession as I have tilers over the last few years on this Tilers Forum and totally agree that to make a statement from 3 photos is not appropriate.
However the views of tilers on this tilers forum about the standard of work required, on the substrates provided, using the quality of materials purchased is aired in this medium as it would be down the pub and if that is about builders/plumbers/other trades then surely that's what the forum is about!

I don't however see the point of going off the OP topic to defend Builders as in this case he was paid to complete a project and he sub contracted the work which still makes him responsible, however much it cost , to have the work completed to the clients satisfaction.

 

[beanz]

I don't think anyone's attacking builders in general CR, but like John's said.... He's the one who's been paid, and he's the one that's saying the job is acceptable. I do agree with you about us not knowing what went into the recess though..

 

[widler]

someones just put some tiling up on here.
angela,if you are not happy with your job,you are quite right to get it re done,now to me,personally its not too bad with the materials which have been used(trims,cheap and flimsy)in fact i think they are the same as the ones in this picture,so just to show you really rough,have a ganda at this :yikes:

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someones just put some tiling up on here.
angela,if you are not happy with your job,you are quite right to get it re done,now to me,personally its not too bad with the materials which have been used(trims,cheap and flimsy)in fact i think they are the same as the ones in this picture,so just to show you really rough,have a ganda at this :yikes:

 

[swanman]

The mitres can be alot tighter that not right

Chipping of tiles its a hard one

They could be a soft glaze tile

 

[Tilerbhoy]

Where you from Angela?
IM sure one off the tilers on here slagging off the work must stay near you,as that is the why you came on here,looking for someone to rectify it.
The recess is not 100% but far from the worst you will get.
IF I'm being honest,if I came to have a look at it I'd be thinking I could better that but I'd be worried you are an overly fussy customer and never gonna be happy.
And if I'm being honest a lot off tilers will feel like this but wont admit it on here.
TIling can be a bitchy trade,which iv noticed since joining this forum.
Some people might take offence to this but I'm just being honest.
i hope you get it sorted.

 

[widler]

The mitres can be alot tighter that not right

Chipping of tiles its a hard one

They could be a soft glaze tile

Not sure about 'being tighter' swanman, any tighter they will be over lapping. Personally i think the man needs a new blade in his hacksaw

 

[charlie1]

Where you from Angela?
IM sure one off the tilers on here slagging off the work must stay near you,as that is the why you came on here,looking for someone to rectify it.
The recess is not 100% but far from the worst you will get.
IF I'm being honest,if I came to have a look at it I'd be thinking I could better that but I'd be worried you are an overly fussy customer and never gonna be happy.
And if I'm being honest a lot off tilers will feel like this but wont admit it on here.
TIling can be a bitchy trade,which iv noticed since joining this forum.
Some people might take offence to this but I'm just being honest.
i hope you get it sorted.

well said tiler boy, yes. There are a lot of snipers in the trenches of the forum i must admit at times!! And also agree, tiling can be a very bitchy trade, i can be guilty of this myself then kick myself afterwards, nothing is ever perfect in life... Ever!

 

[AliGage]

Definitely looks like it's done with a poor quality blade and the mitres look like they've been done by somone with no pride in their work. Also is that a lip that runs between the 2 bottom corners?

I spotted that lip.

Edges are tatty agreed, not sure why they weren't tucked in behind the box trim though. Guys are right, blade could be worn, but i reacon they were dry cut. Scribbing the cut first and then cutting helps prevent such ugly chips on the glaze.

It's definately not the worse, but easily preventable.

 

[owen]

I have tiled all over london for 20 yrs in all manner of places and this would be acceptable to 95% of all clients and contractors. Obviousley you'd like to get it as neat as possible but I suspect the tiler had to use a blade that was tough enough to get through the porcelain, I've found they tend to chip it more than a thinner blade....used slowly. I'm personally not a fan of recessed shelves like that with tile trim....they rarely look hollywood stylee, which I assume is what you were after.

 

[Colour Republic]

I have tiled all over london for 20 yrs in all manner of places and this would be acceptable to 95% of all clients and contractors. Obviousley you'd like to get it as neat as possible but I suspect the tiler had to use a blade that was tough enough to get through the porcelain, I've found they tend to chip it more than a thinner blade....used slowly. I'm personally not a fan of recessed shelves like that with tile trim....they rarely look hollywood stylee, which I assume is what you were after.

Come again Owen? are you saying that this is the standard for 95% of tilers and that is what the industry should say is 'acceptable'?

Surely the customer can't be held responsible because the tiler didn't have a good enough blade?

 

[thompsonbrown]

I think for a builder to cover all aspect of the job it's not bad. it might be the blade on the wet wheel or it might be cheap tiles. I think your being over fussy. if you picked your own tiler and seen more of his work you would have greater comeback. but to ask a builder to complete the whole bathroom it isn't bad. if i was the builder i wouldn't get rid of the tiler based on this evidence. Sorry

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

How anyone can try to justify that type of work, even from three pics is beyond me. I don't like to judge people not knowing the problems they had to overcome, but lets be honest that cutting is pants. Another chancer taking work from real tilers imo, as Rob says why should the customer suffer because the "tiler" or whatever he calls himself does not have the correct equipment to do a professional job. Another reason to regulate this industry, sorry Owen but if you have been tiling for 20yrs and think this is acceptable, then it is time for us all to hang our trowels up.:mad2:

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I think for a builder to cover all aspect of the job it's not bad. it might be the blade on the wet wheel or it might be cheap tiles. I think your being over fussy. if you picked your own tiler and seen more of his work you would have greater comeback. but to ask a builder to complete the whole bathroom it isn't bad. if i was the builder i wouldn't get rid of the tiler based on this evidence. Sorry

Sorry mate but imo there are a million ways a job can be wrong, there is only one way it can be right, that is when it is right. This work is clearly not right so why is anyone trying to make excuses for poor work?:incazzato:

 

[Spud]

I cant see how fitting chipped tiles would ever be acceptable

 

[m3fitter]

Looks like a brittle full bodied porcelain ? If so, even a TX scribe cutter doesn't like them, hmm maybe the wet cutter was ran dry, with just the blade, too much friction, but you'd expect the tiler to just wet cut one edge and snap the other, they seem to be all wet cut, maybe he scribed and wet cut, maybe he should have used a carbrundon stone to smooth off edges.. with a brittle porcelain tile, just more time and care is required to achieve a decent finish, frustrating but part of the job to achieve a good end result and attention to detail.. so to answer, yes with time & care the project could look better definitely, as with everything.

 

[One Day]

Lazy. At the very least a few minutes with a diamond hand pad would have softened the chips.
The trim should have been better aligned with the tile faces and the mitres are good but short of perfect.
Unfortunately though I think the builder's comment about this being "typical standard" is probably correct.

 

[John Benton]

See my photos in bad workmanship thread to see what a builder thinks is acceptable

Post 63

http://www.tilersforums.com/tiling-forum/63897-public-thread-poor-tiling-workmanship-diy-5.html

 

[macten]

Sorry mate but imo there are a million ways a job can be wrong, there is only one way it can be right, that is when it is right. This work is clearly not right so why is anyone trying to make excuses for poor work?:incazzato:

Like my old man says "If it's not 100% right then it's wrong"

 

[Del W]

The cut tiles are not good. Were they dry cut with the wrong type of blade ?