Lash clips etc Again !

[davemul]

Would you recommend these for a DIY'er such as myself?

what size grout lines are usually used for bathroom floor tiles (and wall) ?

 

[Gazzer]

How thick were those tiles and which size clip did you choose ?

 

[Aston]

true skill has been getting diluted for the past 30 yrs.. i dont agree with it but i accept its part and parcel of the construction industry now and will continue to be while time and money dictate our agendas

 

[Spud]

Would you recommend these for a DIY'er such as myself?

what size grout lines are usually used for bathroom floor tiles (and wall) ?

it would just be the initial cost Dave that might put off a diyer

 

[davemul]

True Gary, in my situation unfortunately for me cost has kind of gone out the window with this project! *real tears*:bigcry:

 

[Mike]

Would you recommend these for a DIY'er such as myself?

what size grout lines are usually used for bathroom floor tiles (and wall) ?

that really depends on the size of the tiles, size of the room and customer choice, i usually use 2/3mm on the walls and 4/5mm on floors but some floors can have up to 20mm joints, but personally i don't like big joints.

 

[davemul]

Morning Mike

The bathroom is about 7.5m2 i'd say

I was going to use 2mm on walls. To be honest I was going to use the same on the floor, but I have been thinking that 2mm will be a bit small. Then I thought that grout width should match the walls and floor if using similar tiles (as I am) wall tiles are oblong, floors are square.. same colour pattern, just non slip for the floor.

ie would 2mm grout lines on walls and say 4mm on floor look a bit odd?

 

[Qwerty]

To throw in my two pennies' worth....... the LASH system is the system I used recently. I found that the wedges were easy to push/ wiggle to required depth. The LASH system does make a true 2mm gap, and again, I had to use additional spacers to gain correct grout joint width spacing. To be honest, the floor I laid was 600x600 porcelain and the client insisted on 2mm spacing despite my efforts to convince otherwise. I still used 2mm spacers anyway as the clips did have a tendency to wander slightly when adjusting the wedge.

I found that it did save me time (only slightly though) and took the worry out of lippage or slumping at all.

I did find that even the tightest of fitting clips in the 2mm grout joint was easy to remove with no worries at all the following day. I did surprise myself just how many clips I used for a 20sq/m floor, even with the large format tiles! The bonus is that the left over "stub" of the 2mm clip can be saved and used as a long 2mm spacer which I will probably recycle for when fitting marmox boards......bonus!!!!

I will be using this system in the future for large format tiles. I found it easy to factor the cost into the quote. The initial outlay for any system seems to be the wedges (in the case of Raimondi- the pliers). As for the LASH system.......I found that adjusting by hand was just fine. I would use the side of my thumb/ palm to "feel" the level between adjoining tiles whilst tightening the wedge. I would imagine that using the Raimondi system (using yet another seperate tool- the pliers) could prove a bit fiddley, but as for anything I wouldnt know until I tried it.

All I can say is....... dont knock it until youve tried it! (you may be pleasantly surprised!!!)

 

[Gazzer]

Morning Mike

The bathroom is about 7.5m2 i'd say

I was going to use 2mm on walls. To be honest I was going to use the same on the floor, but I have been thinking that 2mm will be a bit small. Then I thought that grout width should match the walls and floor if using similar tiles (as I am) wall tiles are oblong, floors are square.. same colour pattern, just non slip for the floor.

ie would 2mm grout lines on walls and say 4mm on floor look a bit odd?

This is drifting off topic !

 

[Qwerty]

Morning Mike

The bathroom is about 7.5m2 i'd say

I was going to use 2mm on walls. To be honest I was going to use the same on the floor, but I have been thinking that 2mm will be a bit small. Then I thought that grout width should match the walls and floor if using similar tiles (as I am) wall tiles are oblong, floors are square.. same colour pattern, just non slip for the floor.

ie would 2mm grout lines on walls and say 4mm on floor look a bit odd?

BS says 2mm not for floors, but as my previous post (and others in the past), it can be done. It may look odd indeed using 4mm spacers, but do what is right for you. As Dave said a couple of years ago........ BS5385 is a standard ( guideline) and not a regulation..

See this thread - http://www.tilersforums.com/tiling-forum/22419-tile-spacer-law.html

 

[Qwerty]

This is drifting off topic !

Sorry mate.... yes it is.

Back to clips...... give it a go. I will have anybodies unused LASH clips if they dont like them :smilewinkgrin:

 

[davemul]

Back to clips...... give it a go. I will have anybodies unused LASH clips if they dont like them :smilewinkgrin:

Ditto!

 

[Gazzer]

For those reading this thread. The system has various choices such as
[video=youtube;5WI7ZqxIXJs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WI7ZqxIXJs&playnext=1&list=PL8C20E2EB57A7D2A2[/video]
[video=youtube;B_tB_XOIGRI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tB_XOIGRI[/video]
[video=youtube;FU2rMWcFvSM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU2rMWcFvSM[/video]
[video=youtube;J6ogA1Adkuc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ogA1Adkuc[/video]

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Thanks for that Neale, interesting to note they all make a point of stating the floor must be leveled prior to tile installation. I do spend the most time preparing floors, with slc and my own ( quirky) some might say methods. I can prep the worst floor, given the time and effort required is reflected in the price.

The prep work for me is paramount, I can guarantee if I am allowed to prep the floor using my methods, you could play pool on them. Again it all comes down to cost, if the customer will pay the price, then I can give them a super flat surface to tile on.

If you do have a flat floor, after prep, then I would think using the correct solid bed trowel, it is not hard to get a lip free floor.

I am not knocking these systems after all they are all a variation on a theme. But I think if you get the prep right, the tiling is a lot easier. Just my opinion, and I am still looking forward to everyone's input.

 

[Gazzer]

Yeah well I dont think they should be called a levelling system....anti lippage system seems more fitting.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Cheers Neale, I just think it could be misleading to some folks, as you say, if your sub-floor is not flat then no amount of lash clips etc will help. 600mmx600mm rectified edge porcelain will not bend.

 

[Gazzer]

Cheers Neale, I just think it could be misleading to some folks, as you say, if your sub-floor is not flat then no amount of lash clips etc will help. 600mmx600mm rectified edge porcelain will not bend.

yeah but didnt you know that if you use flexible adhesive it will make the tiles bend ??? .....Joke !

 

[Stewart]

yeah but didnt you know that if you use flexible adhesive it will make the tiles bend ??? .....Joke !

Lol...... With a bit of editing, I'm gonna quote you on that in the futur...


Created on iPhone.....

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

yeah but didnt you know that if you use flexible adhesive it will make the tiles bend ??? .....Joke !

:lol::lol::lol: if only

 

[Gazzer]

So I had a chance to use the Lash clips today. Last week I started a 55m2 floor and I was laying the 600x600 porcelain tiles in the time honoured method with my trusty white rubber hammer. I had no issues at all doing it this way but as I have already stated, Curiosity got the better of me and I gave the lash clip system a go.
I had a small area to tile off the main floor area so this is where I tried it. I have to say I was much quicker the old way. The clips caused too much mess and pushing the wedges in made my fingers hurt after a few minutes.
At least I tried and I will probably try again at some point but not in the near future.
So my honest verdict is

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I won't throw away my trusty white rubber hammer just yet, Neale, thanks for that.

 

[davemul]

Anyone want to buy 100 lash clips and wedges!!?

 

[Gazzer]

Anyone want to buy 100 lash clips and wedges!!?

Not really !

 

[DHTiling]

Alright for some to be on LASH all day..:lol:

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

:lol: