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[rich83]

It's got c &g logos all over it

 

[rich83]

The very top it says construction awards alliance and underneath is a c&g logo and a c skills awards logo

 

[The D]

they have now split and the CAA is nomore it is now a C Skills dip or a C&G dip

 

[rich83]

From what I gather the course name changes quite regularly,are you the guy who used to be a tutor then.i take it you were very hands on with you're teaching,my guy wasn't,it was government funded but if I'd of paid,would of been miffed

 

[jonnyc]

i dont quite understand this deano. Are you saying that the tutor on rich 83 course would be responsible for giving him a distinction. is that how it works ??
I did not take any tiling course although my i did send my foreman when he started for me many years ago on citb vauxhall school of building tiling course .
i did once do city and guild i think carpentry and i was aghast that my tutor chose the best practical works ie window frame for appraisal by some inspector and this seemed to go towards all our marks.( i would comfortably have put myself in bottom 10% for practical)
similar on theory which i was best at and totally alien to anything i done at o level and a level where it was only my own efforts that were marked and gave me a grade good or bad.
is a lecturer now responsible for making a decision about who passes or not and to what degree!!
if this is the case I am sure that most lecturers would be honest but it leaves the option for others to give good marks/passes to keep their profile and achievement high to ensure ongoing employment for themsleves .
i would be grateful if you could explain to us how this system works now as I am very serious about taking on two young lads this year when I will need to grow my business after my knee replacement .
My ideas to date was to visit my nearest tiling course centre and see the lecturer, put forward what i could offer a young trainee taking a proper tiling course and see if he thought i would be suitable as a future employer for two of his students and for me to get a feeling from him about who might best be suited for my business.

 

[widler]

What do you need these courses for?

I've nowt in tiling.
In Plastering I'm city and guilds up to my gonads ,BUT I've never ever been asked for my quals anywhere ,and also been told my city and guilds are not worth the paper they are written on ,mind you I ain't seen them since I was 20

Or am I barking up the completely wrong tree

 

[The D]

i dont quite understand this deano. Are you saying that the tutor on rich 83 course would be responsible for giving him a distinction. is that how it works ??
I did not take any tiling course although my i did send my foreman when he started for me many years ago on citb vauxhall school of building tiling course .
i did once do city and guild i think carpentry and i was aghast that my tutor chose the best practical works ie window frame for appraisal by some inspector and this seemed to go towards all our marks.( i would comfortably have put myself in bottom 10% for practical)
similar on theory which i was best at and totally alien to anything i done at o level and a level where it was only my own efforts that were marked and gave me a grade good or bad.
is a lecturer now responsible for making a decision about who passes or not and to what degree!!
if this is the case I am sure that most lecturers would be honest but it leaves the option for others to give good marks/passes to keep their profile and achievement high to ensure ongoing employment for themsleves .
i would be grateful if you could explain to us how this system works now as I am very serious about taking on two young lads this year when I will need to grow my business after my knee replacement .
My ideas to date was to visit my nearest tiling course centre and see the lecturer, put forward what i could offer a young trainee taking a proper tiling course and see if he thought i would be suitable as a future employer for two of his students and for me to get a feeling from him about who might best be suited for my business.

That is a long story but to answer your main question yes aslong as the lecturer is a qualified assessor or his distinction was on the online test

 

[jonnyc]

think some of your reply is missing in response.
i am sure i am not seeing your whole post.
not sure whether my story too long which it usually is !!
or story too long to explain how the marking/issuing passes/distinctiions carried out .
but i can tell you dean, that i know you are totally passionate about what you are doing now .
if you were a lecturer on a course near me i would be delighted to come and see you and i hope in turn , you to meet me as a future employer of a student of yours.
but if i did not know the lecturer , if the process was that lecturer gave the grade i would be walking in to meeting wondering whether the lectuer is genuinely trying to help his best pupil in to a trade or trading himself high for his own gain .

 

[rich83]

Yes ,the online test is where the distinction came from,although I would say I did the best work out of us all... obviously jonnyc I think I was a bit unlucky by the sounds of it other tutors give more.

 

[rich83]

As far as I am aware its up to the tutor to pass of work.I imagine no pass n
o grant

 

[jonnyc]

this what concerns me to be honest.

 

[rich83]

I think for site work Nvq is needed so the college is good as can't get Nvq without the diploma,well not unless you're a long serving tradesman anyway they'll learn loads while on the job,the college and on the job is what everyone should have.

 

[The D]

Sorry m8 I meant my reply would be toooooooo long but I willtry and make it short
The qual is split in to units and the lecturer will structure the training to hit the assessment criteria in the unit. The same for classroom lessons they will design a lesson plan to cover the questions in the job knowledge paper or online test.
Every lecturer will do their own lesson plan so if there are several lecturers in a college you may get a good one or a bad one.
It is common for the lecturer to assess the students but the college will have an internal verifier to keep an eye on things. There is also an external verifier that can come in and sample the folders and look at the assessment procedure.

 

[jonnyc]

ok getting the feeling of how it works.
but who makes the ultimate decision ,
seems like it is still the lecturer who makes the finite decision albeit with some input from outside
verifiers (adjudicators)

 

[The D]

100% the lecturer / assessor’s decision on the practical assessment

 

[jonnyc]

ok.
interesting.
what is your take on this

 

[The D]

ok.
interesting.
what is your take on this

If they sick to the qualification and follow the assessment process there is no problem but there is quite often a problem and it is the trade that suffers and the integrity of the qual is diminished with every person that that has a level 2 but is not capable.

 

[rich83]

If they sick to the qualification and follow the assessment process there is no problem but there is quite often a problem and it is the trade that suffers and the integrity of the qual is diminished with every person that that has a level 2 but is not capable.

I agree,although I did learn certain aspects.the college didn't allow us to use wet cutters,angle grinders,and their was a lack of supplies.there's so much that can't be taught such as uf heating,working with material other than ceramic, installing ply,insulation,sealing,loads more.

 

[High Peak Tiling]

I agree,although I did learn certain aspects.the college didn't allow us to use wet cutters,angle grinders,and their was a lack of supplies.there's so much that can't be taught such as uf heating,working with material other than ceramic, installing ply,insulation,sealing,loads more.

Can I ask slightly off topic, how did they teach angle cuts I,e 90odegree cuts etc?

 

[rich83]

Didn't ...the thing is there's a lot of people that do these short courses and some college,but in truth it seems you just need to get stuck in,although I'm not going to attempt self employment because I'm not comftorble in possibly letting a customer down,far better to do you're dues as a trainee.

 

[swanman]

Each to there own trade