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[Diamond Pool Finishers]

you top tiler's as to how to fix large format por's, to a stainless-steel floor that will move,in a swimming pool.
so the things to think about are as follows.
fixing to a stainless-steel sub straight.
that will flex,
that is underwater & out of water.
in hot /warm/cold water.
with a chemical mix in the water.
i will ask various adhesive manufactures ,to supply me with a spec. but any offers of how you would approach this would be an interesting read........ oh and i will post the results from said manufactures

 

[Mike Mike]

Questions of clarification first.

Why will it flex?
How much flex will there be?
How thick is the stainless steel, and what grade of stainless steel?
Please clarify why it will be "underwater & out of water".
"In hot / warm / cold water". Clarify the temperature changes please.

The Danish shipping line DFDS have tiled floors in their wetroom floors on their ferries. I do not know if the substrate is stainless steel, or galvanised steel, or what spec, but it is steel. So right from the off, in principle, this is doable.

I will lay down a marker and say epoxy resin adhesive and grout. Subject to your responses to my questions, then I'll fine tune it with a suitable manufacturer and spec if I can. Can't say fairer than that

 

[lukeb]

I think Swedish Mike should have his Trusted Advisor badge by now.:8on`t you?

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

i only know at the mo that it is stainless steel,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PChL21DBu94 this is the kind of thing,
i will get to know more as it all come's to light
and will do a complete job run through if i get the job , oh it's in Hertfordshire

 

[lukeb]

i know that Keraquick mixed with LatexPlus (mapei) might be used on metal but you will have to check witch Mapei Technical Department if suitable for your SS.

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

I think Swedish Mike should have his Trusted Advisor badge by now.:8on`t you?

i dont think the swedish, needs a badge to, boost his confidence lol PS only a joke, for any SAS that read this

 

[Tony73]

I have 5 stainless steal man holes too tile 700x750x30 with 20 mm thick marble. so i think i'll run with grid 80 sand paper and do BAL waterproofer ( think that will stick well to stainless steel) and then keraquick mapei adhesive.

 

[Mike Mike]

I think Swedish Mike should have his Trusted Advisor badge by now.:8on`t you?

That's very kind of you Luke, but in fairness, I'm just guessing at the moment. I know that steel can be tiled onto, but the clincher is stainless steel, which is a much more difficult proposition I think (try welding stainless steel for example...).

 

[Mike Mike]

i only know at the mo that it is stainless steel,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PChL21DBu94 this is the kind of thing,
i will get to know more as it all come's to light
and will do a complete job run through if i get the job , oh it's in Hertfordshire

At first I had no idea what I was watching, but eventually figured it out. But what really made my day was looking at the comment someone had posted:
"Seems legit", ROFL. :lol:

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

That's very kind of you Luke, but in fairness, I'm just guessing at the moment. I know that steel can be tiled onto, but the clincher is stainless steel, which is a much more difficult proposition I think (try welding stainless steel for example...).

you can have a stainless steel mesh tacked ( welded ) on to it maybe for a mechanical key ?

 

[Tony73]

that would help

 

[doug boardley]

Questions of clarification first.

Why will it flex?
How much flex will there be?
How thick is the stainless steel, and what grade of stainless steel?
Please clarify why it will be "underwater & out of water".
"In hot / warm / cold water". Clarify the temperature changes please.

The Danish shipping line DFDS have tiled floors in their wetroom floors on their ferries. I do not know if the substrate is stainless steel, or galvanised steel, or what spec, but it is steel. So right from the off, in principle, this is doable.

I will lay down a marker and say epoxy resin adhesive and grout. Subject to your responses to my questions, then I'll fine tune it with a suitable manufacturer and spec if I can. Can't say fairer than that

great post!!! one of the best I've read

 

[doug boardley]

That's very kind of you Luke, but in fairness, I'm just guessing at the moment. I know that steel can be tiled onto, but the clincher is stainless steel, which is a much more difficult proposition I think (try welding stainless steel for example...).

I shall ask the wife,,,,she's a welding lecturer and is coded to ASMY 9 (?), she served her time welding stainless water turbines.

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

how about the anticipated expansion .......

 

[kendo1]

Why not get in touch with 'Agor'?
I would have thought an epoxy resin glue would work, so maybe get in touch with Araldite.
Good luck.

 

[doug boardley]

how about the anticipated expansion .......

surely the structural engineers would have calculated the anticipated flexural quantities?

 

[Mike Mike]

i only know at the mo that it is stainless steel,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PChL21DBu94 this is the kind of thing,
i will get to know more as it all come's to light
and will do a complete job run through if i get the job , oh it's in Hertfordshire

I see that the idea is similar to a Dutch company that have been making these for rehabilitation in hospitals etc. There's even a video showing a simulated build, including a bit of tiling, LOL. Myrtha Pools - Variopool BV - The Movable Floor Company

Cards on the table. Right now, I don't know 100% if BAL FastFlex to fix and Floor Epoxy to grout is 100% compatible (due to the stainless steel), but I guarantee that an email to both Agor (the manufacturer of your project) AND to VarioPool (who have supplied these pools for the 2012 Olympics) asking "what adhesive and grout do you recommend, or has been successfully used in past installations", followed by contacting the Tech Depts of whatever brands they come back with, and your question could be answered quickly and completely.

 

[tommyzooom]

I've tiled steel stairs, and PCI specified epoxy adhesive and grout.
I would be most concerned by the flex, especially with large tiles

 

[trevortine]

Ok, brilliant thread! IMO, agreeing with swedish mike here, the only product suitable is bal fastflex, just had a look in book and they state it is suitable for stainless steel. Ive never done it myself so get as much info as you can on this one, failing that, swedish tends to be handy with a lighter, get him to burn it down!!

 

[doug boardley]

is it 308L or 316L St St

 

[doug boardley]

why a stainless steel substrate in the first place? we need more info really to advise.

 

[kendo1]

why a stainless steel substrate in the first place? we need more info really to advise.

it's better than chipboard....

 

[Mike Mike]

Ok, brilliant thread! IMO, agreeing with swedish mike here, the only product suitable is bal fastflex, just had a look in book and they state it is suitable for stainless steel. Ive never done it myself so get as much info as you can on this one, failing that, swedish tends to be handy with a lighter, get him to burn it down!!

LOL, my initial thoughts were "let's burn something" but then I read "swimming pool, made of stainless steel" and it sort of scuppered my plans... :mad2:

 

[doug boardley]

why on earth wold you tile stainless steel in the first place? is it sheets of stainless welded to make a floor substrate to be tiled onto? is the customer a euro lottery winner?

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

ok sorry guys just been reading about a guy called DOM, totally shocked by what i read.....:yikes::yikes::yikes: anyway not sure of the grade of stainless yet Doug i will find out monday ,and BAL have been asked and are looking into it,i used ardex most but ,will give any top adhesive a go as i'am a contractor with no preferences , the sub-straight is ss because the floor lifter is made by engineers,in the form of a scissors lift .....