Part P Testing of UFH

[Scott]

TAXI for one, im out. Too much for me now rrr:

 

[Gazebo]

ohmn my god....moan lol

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Getting back to the theme of the thread.............
When I estimate for laying underfloor heating mats as part of a tiling job, I itemize the description of work to be undertaken with the rider - and will be left with cold tails, tested for continuity, for connection by a qualified electrician.
As others I'd change the electrician as you are doing the correct proceedure and its has to be checked by him before connection and signing off! If it doesn't work he doesn't connect - simple.

 

[doug boardley]

I'm staying "neutral" on this.... (tumbleweed!)..

 

[frank-e-boy]

Just for the record. An electrician can only sign off work that he has installed and tested himself. This is a requirement of part p of the wiring regulations. Any electrician who does not, and I am one of them (I like the money), is not doing his work correctly. If something was to go wrong with the underfloor heating and it caused any sort of problem he would be responsible for it, the sections on the electrical installation certificate that he fills out are all signed by him. I dont mind the responsibility but maybe he is not sure enough about his testing to know if it is ok.

 

[DHTiling]

Part p is different to using a spark who is qualified to test...

Are you a trained and qualified tester or just done a part p course.?

ALL sparks i know will just do the test and if it doesn't comply then it isn't passed.

This is the same as getting the local authority to sign work off.. they haven't installed it but can sign it off..

We have a sister forum with over 12,00 sparks and we get all advice from them.

 

[frank-e-boy]

Part p is different to using a spark who is qualified to test...

Are you a trained and qualified tester or just done a part p course.?

ALL sparks i know will just do the test and if it doesn't comply then it isn't passed.

This is the same as getting the local authority to sign work off.. they haven't installed it but can sign it off..

We have a sister forum with over 12,00 sparks and we get all advice from them.

I am a fully qualified electrician and a qualified supervisor for an electrical company. This means I am responsible for all of their Part P registration.

As I said, I have no quarms about signing off work that I have not installed, BUT, according to the regulations and requirements of the LAB and Part P scheme operators, anyone signing off the work is required to have observed the work being carried out from start to finish. This means the design, construction and inspection and testing. If the electrician has not installed the heating then he cannot say that he has met these requirements. Maybe this is why the electrician wont do the work. If something was to go wrong after it had been installed and a fire or electric shock was to happen, he would be completely responsible for it.

 

[TheRealRobG]

I still haven't found anyone to complete connection to and Part P my UFH. I have detailed photos of all prep work. If anyone knows of a sparky in the Portsmouth area who's willing, please let me know.

 

[DHTiling]

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[jay]

sparkeys just covering all bases if something goes wrong or someone gets fried or dies due to poor installation who gets sued //////////// sparkey who signed off

 

[TheRealRobG]

sparkeys just covering all bases if something goes wrong or someone gets fried or dies due to poor installation who gets sued //////////// sparkey who signed off

Surely that's what professional indemnity insurance is for. Also, how many electricians lay tiles?

 

[jay]

Surely that's what professional indemnity insurance is for. Also, how many electricians lay tiles?

so your saying the sparkey takes the risk because he has insurance
no sparkeys don't lay tiles just the ufh

or is it safe for someone to wire all elects in new house and then get a sparkey to sign off on job

 

[Dan]

I was on the understanding the sparky noted the final continuity, checked the connections you've made to the stat, did the final connection to make it live, sign the thing off and that's his job done. I've only known a couple actually install the wiring onto the floor in years of selling UFH to tradesmen. Always the tiler / floor fitter, and then the sparky came in at the end.

Never had issues with this. If there ever was something wrong at installation point, the sparky either suggested a fix, or fixed it if he could there and then.

We as installers had a good working relationship with a couple of sparky's who were sound lads. Due to the time given to the floor to allow it to dry out properly we'd simply give them the address of the job and he'd pop around when get could within a week or two time frame and he loved that as he fitted it in when he got let down on something else or whatever.

Never had a sparky refuse to do the job due to him not installing the actual heating mate/cable though.

 

[Scott]

I did a job where the sparky put the cable down as well, 3 different rooms and it took him forever to lay it.

 

[TheRealRobG]

so your saying the sparkey takes the risk because he has insurance
no sparkeys don't lay tiles just the ufh
or is it safe for someone to wire all elects in new house and then get a sparkey to sign off on job

I don't see how rolling out an UFH mat is fundamentally much different from screwing an electric towel rail to a wall. I mean, you're not actually connecting anything up, are you? It's a single unit, and you're just installing it in a given location. As long as you follow the instructions and don't cut and join the mat or lay two wires across each other, what's the problem? In my case, I have photos showing exactly how the mat was laid before tiling. I also encased it in self leveller, so it's very unlikely to have been damaged during tiling. For what it's worth, I'm a trained engineer, so I'm probably less likely than most to do a bodged DIY job.