Plastic ply used it but not sure about it!!!

[peckers]

Plastic ply by N&C Nicobond!!
Had two bathrooms to tile walls and floors well the owner had supplied everything!
The floors were 22mm tongue and grooved floor boards, there was no deflection or movement in the floor so i screwed the boards down and then applied acrylic sealer,
Right then onto the plastic ply peeled of the backing and layed onto floor in brickbond as per the instructions, boy is it sticky!!
Cutting the mat with a pair of large scissors not to bad as long as you dont have to cut threw the logo on it, this is quite tuff stuff!
First thing i realised is that the plastic ply has the sticky backing all over and there is no holes in it between the plastic to allow the adhesive to pass threw and stick to the actual floor. the adhesive just sticks to the actual sticky sheet!
plastic ply down lazer level on and cant see the red line the plastic just reflects the line and it bounces off! argh..
Chalk line out cant see that either,:incazzato:Had to scribe a line using chinagraph marker to follow!
Any way tiled the floor with granfix ultimate flex adhesive and returned the next day to grout! Then the owner told me that they were hanging the door on the outside this time not as it was before argh have to remove two tiles and put in new ones!
Removing tiles was really hard was suprised how well the adhesive had stuck to the plastic ply! It had stuck really well, i looked at the adhesive and tiles as i was removing them you could see where the adhesive had sunk into the ply impressions and had really gripped onto it, but on the other hand you could see where the sticky back sheet had been in contact with the adhesive! and the adhesive doesn't actually stick to the floor itself! But while lifting the tiles and cleaning off the adhesive the plastic ply did remain totally stuck to the floor!

Any hows im not sure about it as the adhesive doesent actually make contact with the floor, But then again everything does stick togeather very well!
And it is difficult to mark out prior to tiling, maybe the colour needs to be changed to make it easier or for the finish to be matt rather then glossy?
But on the other hand it is quick and easy to lay.

Has anyone else used it and what did you think of it?
steve....

 

[White Room]

Not used or even seen in any suppliers

 

[Homefront Tiler]

9mm ply and 25 mm screws secured at 100mm spacing.....................
Some customers will supply what ever a salemen can convince them is right. I always stick to my guns and use what i'm comfortable with.

answering your question - - - never seen it.

 

[peckers]

9mm ply and 25 mm screws secured at 100mm spacing.....................
Some customers will supply what ever a salemen can convince them is right. I always stick to my guns and use what i'm comfortable with.

answering your question - - - never seen it.

I must admit that i normally stick with tried and tested materials etc, But this is a relativeley new product and it has good right ups, and i did phone nicobond to make sure it was suitable and they said it was!
And i decided to give it a try. But not sure about it. if its still there in ten years i will be happy

 

[Colour Republic]

I had a brief look at plastic ply a couple of months back, the idea of it just didn't sit right with me but to be fair I have never seen it in the flesh.

I look forward to some replys as I hope somebody else has some experiance for another take on it

 

[Spud]

I tiled on some floors recently where the ufh firm had used this onto floor boards first, then levelled, ufh ,then more leveller the job will be handed over mid december ,so we should know by next easter whether it has worked or not ,I am still not convinced but will be open minded until I see a failure

 

[enduro]

I have been given a box of this today...Anyone else used it and got and feedback?

 

[Stewart]

personally I think it's rubbish.... I've got 10 square metres rotting in my store with no intension of using it. I've also ripped up a couple of jobs where its been used...

 

[White Room]

Was the floors failing Stewart for you to rip them up.

 

[Ian]

I've never seen or used it, is it meant to add any strength or is it more like a hardie, just a better surface to tile to?

 

[enduro]

No wonder the guy gave it to me for nothing. Got ten packs, and at £15 per pack i might sell it on flea bay.

 

[Stewart]

Floor completely failed, but that was also down to fixer error. It was installed on top of chipboard and t&g floorboards, with a 5mm trowel used to fix travertine. The floor was failing before the guy finished and asked the customer not to install their washing machine as it would damage the tiles. the other floor I ripped up had too much movement in it for the pp to cope with. I know a tiler who swears by it and uses it on all his timber floors and told me he hasn't had one failure....!

 

[Stewart]

My local tile shop had a demo of it. They had used plastic ply on top of a pallet and tiled it. They then asked you to jump up and down on it to see if it failed and a lot of peeps were impressed that the tiles didn't break. I thought they were cheating as they used one of the hardest porcelain tiles and didn't grout the joints.....!

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I thimk the last thread I contributed to regarding this stuff, my reply was no blue tack for me. Nothing has changed:mad2:

 

[turnip]

got a lovely job coming up of approx 150msq very unlevel floor, literally the floorboards are out of the ark. Looks like the whole building has melted! anyway, N+C have specced plastic ply with pourable thickbed adhesive for us to build up to 30mm. They are confident that its gonna be okay, and everything installation-wise will be done by the book. Personally, I am looking forward to using this stuff, and of course, richer or poorer I will report back when the job is done and dusted.

 

[merit]

ive used the genesis g flex which is the equivelant, had the same worries as you ,adhesive not in contact with floor,
i went straight over new floor boards as specified,problem i found was coming to grout next day adhesive had not dried
the water from the addy has no where to go, because of the film of plastic or whatever it is on the bottom of the mat.
went down a dream, just peel back off and lay brickbond
wait and see if its any good

 

[aph257]

ive used the genesis g flex which is the equivelant, had the same worries as you ,adhesive not in contact with floor,
i went straight over new floor boards as specified,problem i found was coming to grout next day adhesive had not dried
the water from the addy has no where to go, because of the film of plastic or whatever it is on the bottom of the mat.
went down a dream, just peel back off and lay brickbond
wait and see if its any good

What do you mean "water has got no where to go"? Thats only if you're using "TUBBED" stuff, which of course as you know is not suitable for floors.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I had a Nicobond rep came to see me today (nice guy) but I'm still not convinced about this stuff. Just wondered if anyone has any updates, good/bad?

 

[Stewart]

It's still rubbish IMO.....


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[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Even though I have never/ will never use it I agree Stewart, can't see how it could overcome deflection.

 

[Gazzer]

When using new products I need to be sure in my own head that I understand it...and can explain to the client how the product works.......As yet I cant with this one. So I wont be using it.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Thanks Neale, that just about sums it up for me. I did ask the guy to have a look on here for feedback.

 

[MTiler]

Ive used it a few times, the first time at least a couple of years ago and have not had any comebacks. Ive only ever used it on small, sturdy floors and where height under work tops is a big issue.
That fact that the sticky coating stops the ady going through the gaps is surely no different to applying ady to Ditra Matting?

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Thanks Sharon, but I fix Ditra to the sub-floor with two part adhesive, then use single part to fix the tiles. I am still wary of this stuff, and won't be risking it. I still can't get my head round the concept, the rep told me there had been zero reported failures. Yet we have seen pictures on this forum of jobs that have failed.

 

[turnip]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I had a Nicobond rep came to see me today (nice guy) but I'm still not convinced about this stuff. Just wondered if anyone has any updates, good/bad?

as per my earlier post, we installed 150msq approx, last summer, the installation has not failed. also used on chipboard flooring on new build housing developments, small areas only though. again no failures. Im not wholly convinced by the stuff but no real evidence to doubt it, just needs time to be in the market and build a rep.
worst things about it, very sticky, it will take off a layer of skin if you lean on it too hard, and its hard to peel off the backer if your wearing gloves, other than that it does the job.

 

[Andrew Oates]

dont like sound of it i used to work for a sub company of n&c i dont rate alot of there stuff

 

[Spud]

I used it today as I think I need to give it a try ,I used it on a 6m2 18mm plywood floor being totally honest I cant believe the hype at the moment
1 Firstly it it supposed to be quicker than installing ditra
it isnt as as the floor needs to be primed and you have to wait for that to dry out 100% before you can lay the plastic ply where if you stick ditra with an acryllic glue such as f44 you can get on it in pretty much straight away
2. height difference ditra 3mm plastic ply 2mm
3.you use less adhesive with plastic ply ,to get a warranty you have to use the N&c flexirapid which is more expensive than some brands of flex rapid that are available
so there is no cost saving there
4.plastic ply is expensive £20 per pack retail for 1.2m2 best trade price £12.50 m2
Ditra trade price £6-£8m2
5. deflection its has been claimed plastic ply allows tiling over floors showing slight deflection but when you call their technical dept. they insist the floors must be deflection free
So In my opinion plastic ply is not a bad product by any means but I wont be changing from Ditra anytime soon

 

[peckers]

Since starting this post I have never used it again, not because i thought it was a bad product or it has failed but because i couldnt see any advantages of using it.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Me neither, Gary, me neither.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Sorry Steve, my slow typing again.😳

 

[Spud]

Update on plastic ply
I used plastic ply on an exhibition stand at the Ideal home exhibition,the floor was 3mx3.5m 18mm chipboard laid loose over a concrete floor ,I stuck the plastic ply over the loose board and secured it with some extra 18mm screws where the boards jointed under the plastic ply,I was there on saturday half expecting to see cracked joints or loose tiles but to my surprise the floor was in perfect condition and this product has surpassed my expectations and I have to admit has astounded me on how much foot traffic it has taken on loose unfixed chipboard