PTS Tiling Courses - Essex Centre

[Max@ableskills]

Just really to want to bring to your attention not every case is the same, as an assessor you make a judgement call on what is both timely and cost effective as well as what evidence has already been produced.
The assessor may choose to use a varied sort of methods to assess competency's. Above all the NVQ is a competency based qualification, what i mean by saying that it does'nt prove you are a skilled tiler, but only one that knows what he or she is doing. so there is no pass par say, it would be up to the assessor to train the individual on any short comings. I've met some novice tilers and seasoned tilers. some breeze though some dont. But they all get the certificate in the end cause thats my job to achieve that

Methods of Assessment
The assessor will plan with you to choose the best method of assessing you in relation to your individual circumstances.
Assessors must ensure that they are:
• Valid
• Reliable
• Safe and manageable
• Suitable to your needs.
The main assessment methods are for these NVQs:
• Observation by an assessor of you doing something.
• Examining submitted evidence by an assessor.
• Questioning of you or a witness by an assessor.

Verification
Internal verification
The purpose of internal verification is to make sure and show that assessment is valid and consistent, through monitoring and sampling assessment decisions. Internal verifiers must agree the use of simulated activities before they take place and must sample all evidence produced through simulated activities.

Access to assessment
Assessment aims to ensure that centres allow that all candidates are given equal opportunity to demonstrate their competence for the NVQ against specified criteria.
All of the specified criteria must be met by all candidates independently
However, candidates may use mechanical, electronic and other aids in order to demonstrate competence so long as the aids are generally commercially available.

So an assessor a long with their IV make the call if you are deemed competent to the NVQ standard.

yes mate, i also had a long questionaire to fill in too. i knew most of the answers anyway as i've been tiling a long time but there was a lad local to me who came to me for help (sent by jason king) and he knew bugger all and still passed. no site assesment whatsoever.

I would never sign off a NVQ without a site visit. I want to see work based evidence not simulated evidence. My IV would simply not sign it off and as an IV myself i would do the same to other assessors.

 

[Max@ableskills]

That was me beam, NVQ any trade, two days. A complete joke imo:mad2:

Lol NVQ in two days.

Unless it was the EWPA route which involves several visits to the training centre for profiling, reviews and then practical tasks followed by professional discussion.

Practical task and professional discussion can be done in two days but initial profiling and reviews can take the assessor several weeks and often months.

So from start or registration to finish in two days simply not possible.

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

any cheap courses mate my son could do with some sort of training it would save me doing my head in !!! lol lol

 

[Max@ableskills]

any cheap courses mate my son could do with some sort of training it would save me doing my head in !!! lol lol

Lol. more than welcome to train with us gooner59. gooners are very welcome lol

 

[Oleschool]

yet the experience workers can go the EWPA route and simulate there practical.

I had a occasion were a site visit was not possible due to the candidate's lack of work ( relevant at the moment). This tiler had been earning his living prior to needing a NVQ. As an assessor i gained evidence to prove he was an experienced and very competent tiler. Site visit's by an assessor are used more readily as it can be deemed reliable and valid. Also we can quickly gain good evidence and cover a great deal of the criteria need.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

Lol NVQ in two days.

Unless it was the EWPA route which involves several visits to the training centre for profiling, reviews and then practical tasks followed by professional discussion.

Practical task and professional discussion can be done in two days but initial profiling and reviews can take the assessor several weeks and often months.

So from start or registration to finish in two days simply not possible.

Don't I know it Max, the ironic part of it is, I was on the car park of a college who had applied for accreditation from the TTA for centre of excellence, as a member of the fixer training committee, I was just reflecting how sad the college had not quite met the criteria required.

That was the moment I got the text, guaranteeing me a NVQ in two days, any trade. For me it makes a mockery of the system

 

[Oleschool]

that's basically how i got mine through them although the assessor was jason king. he was due to visit me on site but due to serious problems he couldn't make it so asked me to supply photographic evidence and hey presto........10 weeks later my certificate landed on the doormat

Methods of Assessment
The assessor will plan with you to choose the best method of assessing you in relation to your individual circumstances.
Assessors must ensure that they are:
• Valid
• Reliable
• Safe and manageable
• Suitable to your needs.

I had a occasion were a site visit was not possible due to the candidate's lack of work ( relevant at the moment). This tiler had been earning his living prior to needing a NVQ and was clearly experienced. As an assessor i gained appropriate alternative evidence to prove he was an experienced and very competent tiler.

Site visit's by an assessor are used more readily as it can be deemed reliable and valid. Also we can quickly gain good evidence and cover a great deal of the criteria need. However site visit's on occasion are not practical or possible. So mike your assessor may well of made a judgement call because of your obvious experience. Now! (to throw the cat among the pigeons) it world seem all are in agreement that you can do a 2 or 4 week tiling course and become a competent professional tiler, but yet you say it is impossible to prove this in less then ten weeks!! As in white beams case i could if he had strong evidence at hand, complete all paperwork necessary. I could collate his nvq portfolio in two days, although it is the CAA guidelines this should not be done within ten weeks. note also that there is now no ten week rule.

i would like think i could prove i was a competent tiler in two days , lol i think i could do it in less then an hour.

 

[Max@ableskills]

yet the experience workers can go the EWPA route and simulate there practical.

I had a occasion were a site visit was not possible due to the candidate's lack of work ( relevant at the moment). This tiler had been earning his living prior to needing a NVQ. As an assessor i gained evidence to prove he was an experienced and very competent tiler. Site visit's by an assessor are used more readily as it can be deemed reliable and valid. Also we can quickly gain good evidence and cover a great deal of the criteria need.

I would have advised this candidate to go down the EWPA route as he had a lack of work. He could have produced his simulated work at the training centre but before that I would have validated his claim that he was an established and experienced wall and floor tiler at profiling stage and then by validating his supplied witness testimonies.

 

[Oleschool]

I would have advised this candidate to go down the EWPA route as he had a lack of work. He could have produced his simulated work at the training centre but before that I would have validated his claim that he was an established and experienced wall and floor tiler at profiling stage and then by validating his supplied witness testimonies.

unfortunately then you had to have five years experience, he could prove about four years. Today he would of been ok as i't 3 years.

Max have had only heard good things said about ableskills by the way

 

[Max@ableskills]

Oh I see, thanks for the nice comments BTW!

 

[rwtiling22]

I Have just finshed a 2 week course with S.T.C who were P.T.S traing and please let me say I would recommend this course to anyone. I have read some of the comments on here about P.T.S/S.T.C and there N.VQ's most N.V.Q's are done in the same way. I have 2 N.V.Q's a level 2 in plant operating and a level 4 in managing a non hazordus landfill and in both these subjects all I had 2 do was take a lot of photos and be photographed pionting at things relavent to what was involved in each of the 2 subjects. I do belive that most if not all N.V,Q's are carried out in this way. I think S.T.C however did have issues with an assesor and so he is no longer being used. Everyone who attended the same 2 week course and the guys who were finishing thier all said that it was very informing and that Clint the trainer came across as being very knowledgable in tiling. Jean who carries out the business start up and marketing was also very informative.

 

[Dan]

I'm just bumping some of the tiling course & tiling training related threads. Ignore them if they're not current threads for you. They will drop back off the list in a week or so, and I don't do this much.