Tile onto tile

[Dan]

you always miss the interesting threads Dom... and notice how your post was number 69 :lol:

I noticed you notice! You little devil you. I knew owned red boots because you're kinky!

Edit: oops, sorry, didn't know Dom already mentioned it and that we'd already ended the discussion.

 

[bootsmckiber]

I still agree with Brian because I also have done it with no catastrophic results,I do this not at my own doing but usually to help the clients who can't afford to start from fresh,lets face it i,it is expensive.Now this doesn't happen all the time,in 27yrs I may have done it six times,always to help the client who just can't afford it,and yes it's nice to be so rich that you can walk into a place and if you don't like it say no I'm not doing it,but times were different twenty years ago,a job was a job you play the hand your dealt to the best of your capabilities,when you have 5,6,7or 8 mouths to feed you sometimes take what you can get,Everytime I did a tile on tile my clients were more than happy with my work and the money I saved them,like I said,twenty years ago the rules and codes weren't quite as strict,And another point,I've read a lot of tiling books over the years and most of them say it might not be the best way but it can be done,to many greenhorns on the goody two shoes wagon,chin up Brian,don't quit,go with what works for you.

 

[mikethetile]

are you talking walls or floors boots

 

[bootsmckiber]

Floors,I wouldn't do walls just because of the sheer weight factor,gravity is totally not on your side.

 

[mikethetile]

thank you Boots

im in total agreement with you, whats the worse that can happen if a floor tile debonds . theres no risk and as long as the client is aware that this may happen then they carry the expense of putting it right not you, and as you say if funds are tight then its a gamble worth taking

walls are a different ball game

 

[Scott]

Like this you mean? Gotta love a bit of tile on tile.

This little beauty was onto paramount plasterboard too and left by another bathroom fitter. He was going to takethe top layer off and tile over the base tiles with 600x300 ceramics. Amateur!

Luckily i had a customer who listened to the adivce she was given and with the TF as a back up to clarify anything i told her the whole room had now been finished to the correct standard.

 

[steve187]

As long as the new tiles are not too big/heavy and the original tiles are well fixed, no hollow sounding tiles when tapped, you should be ok.

 

[The D]

As long as the new tiles are not too big/heavy and the original tiles are well fixed, no hollow sounding tiles when tapped, you should be ok.

did you look at the pic above your post m8??? if you did and your advice still stands then all i can say is head em up move em out.:mad2::mad2:

 

[jay]

think were talking floors Deno
right tiling over existing wall tiles is stupid (weight issues ect)
tiling over existing floor tiles on timber sub is stupid too
tiling over floor tiles on a concrete slab can be done providing they are solid no cracks not stone or slate and the correct prep work is done

thats why adh is made to tile over tiles

 

[steve187]

did you look at the pic above your post m8??? if you did and your advice still stands then all i can say is head em up move em out.:mad2::mad2:

no picture above my post when i posted. i had the thread open a long while before i replied. seems i didn't get to the last post before replying,

 

[doug boardley]

As long as the new tiles are not too big/heavy and the original tiles are well fixed, no hollow sounding tiles when tapped, you should be ok.

Steve, it doesn't matter how well the existing tiles are fixed, substrates will only bear so much weight before it loses it's structural integrity. "The straw that broke the camels back" and all that.

 

[david campbell]

whats the point doug!
no matter how many times you tell some people or give them advice they will go ahead anyway!
what do you know mate you've only been tiling for god knows how many years and your experience is always going to be questioned by someone who "knows" better

 

[mikethetile]

if I see 75mm or 100mm tiles as in scottleys post I just assume they have been dotted as invariably they were, I also believe that the dotting of small format tiles led to the bad practice of dotting 150mm up

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

 

[diamondtiling]

It amazes me that some tilers still think its ok to tile onto existing tiles "so long as they are stuck well and dont sound hollow when tapped"

Have these guys got xray vision or something, or do they just rely on their knuckles to test the integrity of someone elses's past work?

If these people have public liability insurance then they should save themselves some money and cancel it because if something did fail and they were sued then they would not have a leg to stand on.

 

[jay]

nope dont have xray vision

 

[doug boardley]

whats the point doug!
no matter how many times you tell some people or give them advice they will go ahead anyway!
what do you know mate you've only been tiling for god knows how many years and your experience is always going to be questioned by someone who "knows" better

I don't mind saying over and over again David, if someone takes it on board and it saves a tile dropping on a kids head, then I'll keep saying it

 

[diamondtiling]

nope dont have xray vision

Jay are you saying that because there are products out there that specify they can be used to tile on tile that its ok?

We all know that these products are there but the variables for failure are too great on any tile on tile installation especially walls, its a no brainer as far as I am concerned.


Just as an update, I have just phoned a major high street store and asked about tiling on tiles, the guy asked me, "are the tiles shiny or matt?"

"shiny" I said
"great, just rub them down with a wire brush and you will be fine"
"my old tiles sound a bit hollow, they have been on since the 1970's" says I
"no problem" says he, "use our special bonding agent and you will be fine"
"whats that?" I asked, "just expensive PVA?"
"No, dont use pva" he says although he couldn't give me a definitive reason why not.

So there you have it, one of the biggest high street shops advocate tile on tile with their special adhesive and it was not Tile Giant.


:ban:

 

[jay]

as i said if substrate is concrete and existing tiles are solid with no cracks and preped right then yes it can be done
walls should never be done as weight issues
timber floors fall in the same boat to much weight

 

[Gazzer]

So there you have it, one of the biggest high street shops advocate tile on tile with their special adhesive and it was not Tile Giant.


:ban:

So who was it ? Ronald McDonald ?

 

[mikethetile]

Jay is talking about floors. hes said that twice now

if a concrete subfloor is tiled using a cement based addy and its down solid then is there any real need to strip the tiles and then end up slcing

jay has also said twice now that he wont tile on tile walls for the same reasons as the rest of us

 

[jay]

what the hell lets have it Diamond you must have better eyes than me i take it you tile over screeded floore over there (rendered) well if you cant tell if a tile is bonded well to a floor how the hell do you know a screed is bonded well

your turn

 

[diamondtiling]

I am not getting into an argument with anyone so lets not even talk about that, if anyone here wants to write about the pro's of tiling over tiles on either walls or floors then go ahead, I choose not to and will carry on that way in the future.
Please dont direct anymore points to me about this practice, I have stated my point of view.

Cheers.

Time for a chill pill I think.

 

[jay]

Jay are you saying that because there are products out there that specify they can be used to tile on tile that its ok?

We all know that these products are there but the variables for failure are too great on any tile on tile installation especially walls, its a no brainer as far as I am concerned.


Just as an update, I have just phoned a major high street store and asked about tiling on tiles, the guy asked me, "are the tiles shiny or matt?"

"shiny" I said
"great, just rub them down with a wire brush and you will be fine"
"my old tiles sound a bit hollow, they have been on since the 1970's" says I
"no problem" says he, "use our special bonding agent and you will be fine"
"whats that?" I asked, "just expensive PVA?"
"No, dont use pva" he says although he couldn't give me a definitive reason why not.

So there you have it, one of the biggest high street shops advocate tile on tile with their special adhesive and it was not Tile Giant.


:ban:

so why the comment then


stand up or shut up

 

[doug boardley]

Can we keep this civil please guys!

 

[DHTiling]

Looks like all views are made and aired..

I do not expect this from tilers forums Elite..

Thread now closed.