Tiling Contract in London

[Pebbs]

John, that is not a good price, its stone all the way through, no cutting rates, and no mention of who is in charge for the distribution of the materials. And whats the bit mean about the client is a good payer, who gives a fig about the client being a good payer? Anyone subbing to this Stoneface should get paid on time regardless of the client being a 'good payer' does that mean they arent going to pay the subbie till they get paid? What if its a stop and start contract? then some poor gang are going to be hanging around waiting for the other trades to finish?

Ok someone should ring up and get the lowdown, and don't look at me, whos going to do it?

Lynn

 

[Dan]

I'm checking with an account mate who has access to 'RedAlart' which should show us everything about their directors and all their companies. I'll hit you back when I have all information physically possible to get.

 

[jonnyc]

lynn .not sure if you are refering to me or not.
cant see any other johns comments.
i actually said it wasnt a good price in first post and i wouldnt touch it personally .
what i said in second post was that stoneface might have a good price on job already and what with them supplying materials , and paying very little to a fixer , they dont want to lose the job even if it means taking on someone they dont know which i would never do.
of course it is irrelevent whether they are waiting to be paid by main contarctor . stoneface should still pay on time but in reality doesnt always work like this with some people.
i pay my guys regardless of my problems getting paid.
if you read between lines you might see that i was warning that i have have already looked at this company and am advisng to be wary as on any job with an unknown contractor.
I dont think it is fair to condemn someone without knowing all the facts so it might be a good job for someone but def not for me.
I am quite staggered by some of the rates i see bandied around on forum that seem acceptable.
i just say to myself i am lucky to be working in area i do.
one of the many questions i would ask apart from the obvoius we have all touched on, is what proportion of this big job is 200 x 200.
in fact i would have dozens of questions

 

[jonnyc]

have just reread the original post from stoneface , and i took it to mean that they were paying 25-30 quid a meter for main tiling, but now see that it probably refers as well to the 250+ stairs which i assume means no of stairs or sq mt of stairs plus cladding.
if this is the case then i would advise an absolute no no even if youre desperate.

 

[Spud]

sounds to me like a 9 piece pattern floor 80x80 surround by 80x20 with a 20x20 corners ,the stairs should be priced seperately and no stair case is easy as you are govern by the storey heights and 1mm gain per step can cause a night mare the cladding will be lift surrounds or reception lobby wall linings or could even be coloums and depending on the detail they can be straightforward or a nightmare either way the price is far too low for both the stairs and the cladding ,it also doesnt mention what type of fixings for the cladding if its stainless wire then its not going to be too bad but if its on a frame with soffits and t bolts who is drilling and prepping the stone I always find that in life if some one tries to sell some thing a a dream job its often because its a nightmare and if they have time to do all the levelling and ditra which is the easy bit but they havent got the time to do the fixing which their reputation relies on it makes me think give it a wide berth but I am a cynic so good luck to the gang that takes it on

 

[Peter]

Think the main thing is why they're giving it away on a forum - done work for a squad myself for a few years and any job you couldn't do, you knew another 10 sqauds that you'd ask or even make up a group from the various outfits if it was really an emergency. Anything subbed out was always kept inside the realms of mutual back scratching. Either way, stoneface will be getting a good turn at it within the price.

 

[Tony73]

looks like a decent enough job if you need the work. rate for fixing doesnt seem very good to me , but i dont do commercial stuff.
just remember big areas dont necessarily mean big dosh.
some key info missing, like access , who brings stone in, ground floor work or 10th floor with no lift!!
restrictive hours?
Agree jonnyc, rates are not the best. They don't say what stone (its important, some stone takes longer to treat/clean/seal) If they pay same rates per sq.m for steps -wrong. If one step is about 900x200x250 , it makes about 2 steps =1 sq.m. It should be £50-£80 per step and riser, depending on size/finish/profile. Same with wall cladding (different rates). As all members said, there would be 100-200 questions to ask. If somebody was to take on this projet, stoneface should email/fax big fat book with specifications, drawings. But who knows, maby they ok?
Anyway-it's a bit risky

 

[Pebbs]

Sorry Jonny, I re-read what you had wrote and yes we are both on the same page, along with Gary, Nybor, and everyone else. They say nothing about the depth of the stone, some poor swine could end up lugging 30mm stone around the site and then be told he's got to cut it outside. The treads and risers could come in oversized, so they would have to be cut down. I think they put in a cheap price to get the work, and then have worked out its going to cost them a fortune to send their own people down to London to do the works. Perhaps its my pessimistic nature of thinking that if sounds to good to be true it normally is. The alarm bells went off when I saw the cladding, we do a lot of cladding and its backbreaking, labour intensive, and soul destroying at times. I just have a feeling someone will get stung badly.

Lynn

 

[Dan]

My accountant mate will get me more details on Wednesday but it sounds like there's no point TBH. haha

Good thread peeps.

 

[Dan]

This job was won by a member of the forum who is a Contractor in the area. So it turns out it was worth it for somebody in the end. Not sure of the details but they are a firm who tender regularly for large contracts (perhaps nearly always jobs bigger than this one by the sounds of it).

Had a nice PM thanking me from the member.

 

[Tony73]

Good luck to them . Hope it will go well.