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Norcross have only just got on board. You would, I am sure, be fine to stick ditra down with their addy but as it is gypsum you probably woud not need it.

Remember that you can stick to these adhesives with cement. The issue is compatibility which forcesarequirement fr a primer. It is here that starts to trip up. The adhesive does not stick to the screed it sticks to the primer. If the primer to screed bond is weak for any reason the bond will fail taking the tiles with it. If the primer is not applied thick enough you can get chemical reactions which cause delamination.

To be fair BAL do have a system that works provided their rules are followed to the letter. So do many other manufacturers.
Problem is that the rules don't fit with the industry requirements and practices. There is a fundamental issues in that the majority of cement/primer systems are not robust and will not tolerate abuse, even of the smallest kind.

Now I know that all tilers are perfect tradesmen and do everything by the book and properly........ But do they really. This is not a dig at the tiling trade. It is a simple statement of fact. Things happen on site which cause us all to take risks...... Yes I know I am going to get the "I always do it right" brigade going now.......

If we all did everything perfectly then there would not be failures. If we do everything by the book and there are still issues then the book use be wrong.

Simple fact is that whilst thy are more expensive at present gypsum adhesives are far more robust on gypsum bust rates than their cement/primer counterparts. They remove several risks altogether.

I await the righteous onslaught ..... :)
 
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I think it would be unfair for you to get moaned here just for stating the facts, most of which it appears you are the only one who actually understands and can explian with any authority.
Yep is a pain that these screeds have kinda just turned up and the tiler has to deal with them. I for one don't skimp ony part of job as i'm lucky to get jobs where i'm screwed down on price. If i can't do it right i don't do it at all.
Trouble is if you took the time to phone all the tech departments, everyone is saying something different and each manufacturer contradicts the other, so we end up being totally non confident in a job that we've known for years.
So to end Ajax, if primer is such a big deal which it now appears to be, would we tilers be best priming with an epoxy primer for these screeds??????
 

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when you recommend sanding to what extreme, how much of the layer should i be taking off , and type of machine to use ,also would the screed have taken in atmotspheric moisture?
cheers

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Any non screed contaminants or friable loose material. You are not aiming to take off any screed.

Rotary floor scarifier with 60 grit paper or alternatively enclosed shot blasting unit ( for large areas.

Unlikey. I will of coursesoakmup spillages just like sand ement but is not generally troubled by atmospheric humidity unless it is excessively high then as with all screeds it will reabsorb. It will quickly retry once the atmosphere reduces though.
 

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I think it would be unfair for you to get moaned here just for stating the facts, most of which it appears you are the only one who actually understands and can explian with any authority.
Yep is a pain that these screeds have kinda just turned up and the tiler has to deal with them. I for one don't skimp ony part of job as i'm lucky to get jobs where i'm screwed down on price. If i can't do it right i don't do it at all.
Trouble is if you took the time to phone all the tech departments, everyone is saying something different and each manufacturer contradicts the other, so we end up being totally non confident in a job that we've known for years.
So to end Ajax, if primer is such a big deal which it now appears to be, would we tilers be best priming with an epoxy primer for these screeds??????

Epoxy is certainly far better than acrylic.
 

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been to see the above floor , told customer what is needed ,scarify then gypsum based adhesives ect, taken it on board, just need to find stockist of gypsum based adhesives to find price, any pointers, up in the nort east of england
thanks

Go straight to the manufacturers. They will be able to tell yu where you can get it. Creative impressions, nicobond and granfix. You coud also try westerhope tiles who were selling kerakoll which does th job nicely.
 
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been to see the above floor , told customer what is needed ,scarify then gypsum based adhesives ect, taken it on board, just need to find stockist of gypsum based adhesives to find price, any pointers, up in the nort east of england
thanks
North East ? Dave will be your man or TJ They will know who stocks what.
 

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