Tough lessons

[faithhealer]

Thanks for sharing Gisela, one day you might get copied when your name gets about!

 

[Deleted member 9966]

Onwards and upwards G! You learned some new things from all of this so never let it get you down

 

[user123]

Hi Gisselle.

I'am not sure which design it is that you were looking at as I only have a book titled 'the rug collection' by this co.
It is a fantastic book with some wonderful designs of traditional patterns from over the last 2000 years ranging from the romans-greek-victorian-mexican you name it a pattern is included.
My question is 'How can you copyright a style' .
Your designs are unique to you and as such your style is unique and as long as your pattern is different to others mentioned it is an individual piece of work.
The only analogy I can think of is the top fashion labels that get copied within days by high street shops with slight variations.
All my work is possibly from something I've seen before from Brick bond travertine/victorian floors/to a tree over a bath!!!!!
The only cause for concern I have with the thread is the fact that the trading name link has been given and the possibility of copying mentioned which may affect progress!
Keep up the good work.

John.

:-( Yes those were all the thoughts I had before I knew better. But here we are talking about the Sicis flower power collection, and those flowers being so big and dominant and the customer liking the almost photographic style and wanting the same flowers just as big and the same colours - it's not just a pattern any more...suddenly you recognize the difference see the links below ...

Anyone copying my appletree? They couldn't cope! :lol:


SICIS - The Art Factory - SICIS - The Art Factory

SICIS - The Art Factory - SICIS - The Art Factory

 

[Verona]

:-( Yes those were all the thoughts I had before I knew better. But here we are talking about the Sicis flower power collection, and those flowers being so big and dominant and the customer liking the almost photographic style and wanting the same flowers just as big and the same colours - it's not just a pattern any more...suddenly you recognize the difference see the links below ...

Anyone copying my appletree? They couldn't cope! :lol:


SICIS - The Art Factory - SICIS - The Art Factory

SICIS - The Art Factory - SICIS - The Art Factory

No wonder the customer liked the design, but for her being that naive to demand the exact design, colours etc and not listen to you when finding out the copyright about it and understand the changes that needed to be made I don't get. If she wants that design she has to realise it cost.
She should appreciate you offering to change it so she could have got it anyway. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[doug boardley]

tough luck there MG, I know how excited you were about this project. I suppose the copyright thingy is a bleeding minefield! Yourself and Gary have my sympathy

 

[Spud]

I cannot believe what i am reading here !!!

 

[doug boardley]

what's up Gary?

 

[user123]

Yes, please, Gary, let me know - does it look different from where you are standing? I just told things as they were...and didn't mention customer's name or anything....please explain?

 

[david campbell]

sounds absolutely shocking,especially the way her attitude changed when she wasn't getting what she wanted but then again trying to tell customers whats feasable and what isn't is always a pain in the ***

 

[Spud]

we talked about this over the phone gisela why do you feel you need to put this on here do you feel guility about something ?and yes i do see things differently ,

 

[user123]

Not at all Gary!! No, just really upset about the whole thing and thought I won't be the only person this may happen to - accepting to do something, then finding out that what was intended wouldn't be legal, having to put a stop to it all, I explained it all, and that's exactly how it was.

This forum is supposed to be sharing experiences so that others may not make the same mistakes, and I put it specifically into the Forum Arms so it would not be public but surely this isn't wrong?

 

[user123]

sounds absolutely shocking,especially the way her attitude changed when she wasn't getting what she wanted but then again trying to tell customers whats feasable and what isn't is always a pain in the ***

The customer was never unpleasant, David, just disappointed and reacted accordingly.. I liked her actually, which made it all even more difficult..

 

[user123]

And after this experience I feel that copyright issues should be known to customers, tilers and artists alike. You don't want customers asking you something you are not allowed to do, or be the tiler who says it can be done, or the mosaic artist saying yeah I'll do it. It doesn't matter which link in the chain it applies to, we just have to know, because three people lost out because three people didn't know here.

 

[Spud]

And after this experience I feel that copyright issues should be known to customers, tilers and artists alike. You don't want customers asking you something you are not allowed to do, or be the tiler who says it can be done, or the mosaic artist saying yeah I'll do it. It doesn't matter which link in the chain it applies to, we just have to know, because three people lost out because three people didn't know here.

gisela for your information i never told you to copy sicis work or told the customer it could be copied and actually told her no artist would copy another artists work ,i told her that a mosaic artist could make something similar and that it would cost around £1000 per sqm this customer also wants a mosaic sunflower if you google mosaic sunflower over 10,000 images of sunflowers come up are these also in breach of copy right ,no, the sicis link was sent to you to give you an example of what she was dreaming of having but could not afford and set as an example of the high standard she wished to achieve i will not be drawn into a slanging match over this but have been so embarassed by the fact that you are keeping her money that i have offerd to pay her the £250 she is out of pocket
Gary

 

[user123]

gisela for your information i never told you to copy sicis work or told the customer it could be copied and actually told her no artist would copy another artists work, I told her that a mosaic artist could make something similar and that it would cost around £1000 per sqm this customer also wants a mosaic sunflower if you google mosaic sunflower over 10,000 images of sunflowers come up are these also in breach of copy right ,no, the sicis link was sent to you to give you an example of what she was dreaming of having but could not afford and set as an example of the high standard she wished to achieve i will not be drawn into a slanging match over this but have been so embarassed by the fact that you are keeping her money that i have offerd to pay her the £250 she is out of pocket
Gary

As to the design, Gary, the customer wanted three to five large waterlilies and sunflowers over the area in the Sicis colours and the same photograhic style, which legally would have been an imitation. Of the £500 deposit for the glass and designs, she had various design options from me before and after the copyright issue. I sent her a cheque for £263.05 pence today with the copy of the glass and mesh bill so she can see it was covered exactly. That was as a goodwill offer on my part I put to her in writing instead of sending her the glass as she had requested which I knew she would not be able to use in the end. She told me on the phone two days ago she would not ask for a penny of the deposit back but to send the glass so she could make the mosaic herself. I sent her the cheque and supplier details and glass colour codes if she ever did decide to go ahead with the project herself.

At no point I felt there was an issue with you at all, as we only had three (I think?) communications with each other, but I did forward you the emails sent to the customer so you would be kept informed. Where does the idea of a slanging match come from?