Vicky Geometric

[trev]

I never said you were a bad tiler just on the setting out there is room for improvement.

well i believe my setting out is fine, as i've said before, the customer wanted this design thickness of border/pattern and more importantly i think (where all this is steaming from) thickness of black infill. That was my instruction and i followed it.

Pj have you ever thought about going into teaching? I'm sure with all them years you have lots to share. Maybe sort that that 'i've been tiling 46 years!' bollxx and also try and be a bit more understanding of peoples skill levels and how motivate them intead of demorilizing 'em. On second thoughts find that pension book and go grow some spuds!:lol:

 

[Spud]

well i believe my setting out is fine, as i've said before, the customer wanted this design thickness of border/pattern and more importantly i think (where all this is steaming from) thickness of black infill. That was my instruction and i followed it.

Pj have you ever thought about going into teaching? I'm sure with all them years you have lots to share. Maybe sort that that 'i've been tiling 46 years!' bollxx and also try and be a bit more understanding of peoples skill levels and how motivate them intead of demorilizing 'em. On second thoughts find that pension book and go grow some spuds!:lol:

when i learnt how to tile i was told never to close through a pattern, i think this still stands today hence all the negative feedback .if you had put an extra pencil border around the field tiles this would have gained the module size you needed to eliminate the closing red diamonds, set this half bond and repeat it on the outside of the border and you will have a symmetrical job with out closing the detail of the border

 

[The D]

Tile UK august 2008 page 56 It is on the link at the side. That made an interesting read.

 

[pjtiler]

trev !!! your a lucky lad theres skilled tradesmen of many year experience here giving good advice and not bulling you up
if your daft enough to ignore it ,good for you
one day it will cost you dear
as for personal insults to me! seen it all before
its true what they say (you have to pay to learn )
shame really
you made the classic mistake with the border its easy to rectify if you know your maths

 

[The D]

Ordinal style will do all the working out for you if you give them the dimensions of the floor they will produce a drawing for you to work from if you use there material that is. There is only one reason for a closure in a border and that is incorrect setting out and that is not a slur on you that is just a fact.

 

[pjtiler]

Ordinal style will do all the working out for you if you give them the dimensions of the floor they will produce a drawing for you to work from if you use there material that is. There is only one reason for a closure in a border and that is incorrect setting out and that is not a slur on you that is just a fact.

thats cheating

 

[The D]

thats cheating

is there another way then:lol:

 

[pjtiler]

is there another way then:lol:

come to think of it:huh2:
how much dose that company charge for a m2
just out of curiosity

 

[The D]

ball park £140.00 m2 tiles only

 

[pjtiler]

ball park £140.00 m2 tiles only

oh right
theres a bob or two there for someone handy with a rubi

 

[The D]

Yes m8 box of Wooliscroft and a rubi and you are in business.

 

[trev]

trev !!! your a lucky lad theres skilled tradesmen of many year experience here giving good advice and not bulling you up
if your daft enough to ignore it ,good for you
one day it will cost you dear
as for personal insults to me! seen it all before
its true what they say (you have to pay to learn )
shame really
you made the classic mistake with the border its easy to rectify if you know your maths

pj, i'm sorry if you took my comments as an insult it was not my intention i was trying to lighten the mood, sorry.
Right, down to business, to everyone who commented on my pic thank you very much and to all the critques, what can i say? At the moment i'm eating my weight in humble pie! I love doing vicky geometric and have also looked into what i have done. I agree my border could have worked out better, i made a mistake, although it is acceptable to do borders like this if it is different to the pattern (if the maths does not work out) please accept my apoligies. If you's had not kept on at me i still would have been ignorant of this fact and i'm glad i looked in to it more.

I can't thank you all enough for this insight and once again sorry for being an arse:yes:

I will pay more attention on my setting out from now on!

All the best

Trev

 

[DHTiling]

Trev....

I know you have had some stick over the setting out etc......but we do not tolerate abusing another member verbaly.....i deleted the swearing from your post and would appreciate you voice your opinions without bieng insulting/swearing...........

thanks....

 

[andy-p]

well said trev, nobody likes getting their work criticised and im sure most of it was well intentioned ..

 

[trev]

Trev....

I know you have had some stick over the setting out etc......but we do not tolerate abusing another member verbaly.....i deleted the swearing from your post and would appreciate you voice your opinions without bieng insulting/swearing...........

thanks....

thanks dave, won't happen again:flowers:

sorry mate

 

[kilty55]

hi all,i spoke to ant from edinburgh today regarding prices/dates for the victorian course which starts in january and you can contact him dirtect via the link for tiler training school on this website,cheers

 

[frankenfurter]

Hello Trev,
Did you learn your Victorian tiling on a course or self taught?
I learnt mine through an apprenticeship many moons ago, period tiling is all I do now both wall and floor - I shudder at the thought of large format things. Most of our work is restoration work where we hand cut every tile from larger tiles, it's the only way to get decent matches to imperial sizing.
You can usually work out a floor purely based on maths, when you get used to it, it's pretty easy. I used to do them on graph paper years ago, now any old notepad will do. But try getting a look at some of the old floors and look how they overcome certain problems and obstacles, sometimes it's easier to figure out when you see how someone else set it down.
You'll also see that centring of borders is not as important as flow. If everything is square and straight and your design flows, being centred becomes less important.
Frank

 

[White Room]

Just read my signature, We've all been there

 

[trev]

Hello Trev,
Did you learn your Victorian tiling on a course or self taught?
I learnt mine through an apprenticeship many moons ago, period tiling is all I do now both wall and floor - I shudder at the thought of large format things. Most of our work is restoration work where we hand cut every tile from larger tiles, it's the only way to get decent matches to imperial sizing.
You can usually work out a floor purely based on maths, when you get used to it, it's pretty easy. I used to do them on graph paper years ago, now any old notepad will do. But try getting a look at some of the old floors and look how they overcome certain problems and obstacles, sometimes it's easier to figure out when you see how someone else set it down.
You'll also see that centring of borders is not as important as flow. If everything is square and straight and your design flows, being centred becomes less important.
Frank

Thanks for that frank. Bit of both really, done some with a company and helped out guys then i did a 1 week course at PTS Harlow. the 'original' one i did was my first big one on my own so i suppose i was a bit protective over it. I put in the rope edging and had to use nosing bars for the three steps which i had not done before. what a learning curve that job was!!(in more ways than one).
Would it be ok, if when i get a spare day, to come along and labour for you for a day? No pay just to see what you do. That is of course you are not a milliion miles away!!:lol:
PM me with your details if poss. thanks very much

Trev

 

[Spud]

Thanks for that frank. Bit of both really, done some with a company and helped out guys then i did a 1 week course at PTS Harlow. the 'original' one i did was my first big one on my own so i suppose i was a bit protective over it. I put in the rope edging and had to use nosing bars for the three steps which i had not done before. what a learning curve that job was!!(in more ways than one).
Would it be ok, if when i get a spare day, to come along and labour for you for a day? No pay just to see what you do. That is of course you are not a milliion miles away!!:lol:
PM me with your details if poss. thanks very much

Trev

trev you have alot of ability you dont need to work for free if this is the road you wish to go down then just open your eyes there are so many good examples all over the paths and hall ways of london good luck

 

[pjtiler]

it takes a big man to admite a misteak bud
top man
any help i can give to sort out your setting out ill be only to pleased
as for the lads who would like to learn the art (and it is an art ) of
ceometric borders
sod paying good money to some dodgy sclool
there enough old farts on here to set you on the right road
once you forget there tiles and look at the numbers its easy
fiddley none the less but easy
you could start by cutting you own design
remember even number modules 2"x 2" for a start

 

[The D]

it takes a big man to admite a misteak bud
top man
any help i can give to sort out your setting out ill be only to pleased
as for the lads who would like to learn the art (and it is an art ) of
ceometric borders
sod paying good money to some dodgy sclool
there enough old farts on here to set you on the right road
once you forget there tiles and look at the numbers its easy
fiddley none the less but easy
you could start by cutting you own design
remember even number modules 2"x 2" for a start

PJ you old softy:lol:

 

[pjtiler]

PJ you old softy:lol:

your the old fart i was referring to
i hope your up to speed with your maths
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[The D]

:whatchutalkingabout

 

[brian c]

good thread and i have enjoyed the banter,well done trev for admitting your mistake,happens to us all once in a while.