Warning newbies !

[barriesheene]

Thank's guy's :shades_smile: I have explained why they are there and that they will crack ! It's a new build dormer ext.So basically new timber and plaster board so it hasn't even had chance to settle at all yet ! The problem is his bathroom down stairs that he had tiled some years ago is ok, but i explained to no avail that this is a stone built, old part of the house that has probably had 50 years to do all it's settling. I'm to go back on saturday and remove all the silicon,fit a skirting board,grout the corners and fit a plastic arcitrave around the top and around the shower tray. I'm only doing it really cos I work with the guy during the week. I'm just gutted cos the builder took some of my cards and I've been asked to price up more jobs for others in work, but I cant see any of them coming off now :icon9: I'll post some pics after saturday when it's finished for you all to see what i mean.
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It's funny cos I just remembered a conversation I had with the electrician while he was doing the shower :laugh: I was pointing out a few of the probs i was having and he said he get's similar types of problems to. People who have no training at all just go to price up a job and say " yeah no probs I can do that for you " but people who know what the hell they're talking about just see problems that could lose them the job !!!!!!!!

 

[Dan]

so the customer can see and decide on any changes BEFORE I finish the whole room. 🙁

I'd try not to do a demo each time on each job, I wouldn't even offer many customers options for joints. If you do need to demo though, take pictures of some practise shots at home with a few tiles and some plasterboard maybe?

Why don't you tell the customer that expansion joints should be filled with Silicon

You don't actually fill the joints. A bit like in that example picture above, you're trying to just stick a face on an open joint, to allow each wall to move a little and not upset the joint. But if you filled that with Silicon, which sets kinda hard, when you try and compress it or even squash a lump of it that's gone off between your fingers you find it looses it's rubbery characteristics.

Silicon has to be used a bit like an elastic band that you make. And even on flat walls or floors when you use Silicon or similar for an expansion joint, there are strips and beeding type affairs to fill the joint with that flex, and you Silicon over that, which keeps the Silicon in a stretchy form.

Thank's guy's :shades_smile: I have explained why they are there and that they will crack ! It's a new build dormer ext.So basically new timber and plaster board so it hasn't even had chance to settle at all yet ! The problem is his bathroom down stairs that he had tiled some years ago is ok, but i explained to no avail that this is a stone built, old part of the house that has probably had 50 years to do all it's settling. I'm to go back on saturday and remove all the silicon,fit a skirting board,grout the corners and fit a plastic arcitrave around the top and around the shower tray. I'm only doing it really cos I work with the guy during the week. I'm just gutted cos the builder took some of my cards and I've been asked to price up more jobs for others in work, but I cant see any of them coming off now :icon9: I'll post some pics after saturday when it's finished for you all to see what i mean.
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It's funny cos I just remembered a conversation I had with the electrician while he was doing the shower :laugh: I was pointing out a few of the probs i was having and he said he get's similar types of problems to. People who have no training at all just go to price up a job and say " yeah no probs I can do that for you " but people who know what the hell they're talking about just see problems that could lose them the job !!!!!!!!

It only sounds to me like you need to practise applying the Silicon a bit. And try not to bodge any of your cuts up, even the ones you're going to Silicon, just so you know the Silicon bead can be a neater thinner run.
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[tjsmiler]

Barrie what was the outcome of this job mate?

TJ

 

[barriesheene]

Tj,The customer said that he was happy with what I had done,but his personal preferance was grout in the corner's 😕 He paid me and then removed all the silicon and grouted the corner's with the grout that I had left him,including the shower base. To be honest it didn't look at all bad to the untrained eye cos my cut's weren't as bad as i thought. The wife rekon's they were fine and I'm just a bit too much of a perfectionist :wink_smile: .I learn't soo many lessons on that job tho that have already cropped up on job's that i've priced recently it has probably saved me a fortune and a lot of stress since.

 

[DHTiling]

he removed all the Silicon, wot a mug!!!. wait till it leaks and you will have last laugh...

 

[GazTech]

Tj,The customer said that he was happy with what I had done,but his personal preferance was grout in the corner's 😕 He paid me and then removed all the silicon and grouted the corner's with the grout that I had left him,including the shower base. To be honest it didn't look at all bad to the untrained eye cos my cut's weren't as bad as i thought. The wife rekon's they were fine and I'm just a bit too much of a perfectionist :wink_smile: .I learn't soo many lessons on that job tho that have already cropped up on job's that i've priced recently it has probably saved me a fortune and a lot of stress since.

I had a customer once refused to let me seal in his shower,being the consumate pro that I was ,I siliconed the dry joints keeping the Silicon well behind the face of the tile and grouted over it before he came home job done

 

[tjsmiler]

I was thinking exactly the same thing Dave......... and you have used one of my favorite words too, something very satisfying in calling someone a MUG!!

Gaz you are such a pro lol squirt lol

TJ