Prima donna

[Spud]

we have a young tiler working for us who seems to think he is a primadonna , every site he goes on he throws up the best areas then tries to be moved from the job on to a different site and let others do the finishing off ,on one occasion he called my partner and asked to be moved off of one of my sites claiming there wasnt enough work there for him,my partner rang me to ask what was going on and i was furious that this tiler had done this when there was plenty of work available on the site we were working on and hadnt talked to me before ringing my business partner ,this week he has tried the same trick claiming there is no work for him on the site he has been working on ,I had a site visit there last friday and programmed the weeks work there for this week and sent him there on Monday, tuesday he didnt show up and told another tiler who was due to go there on wednesday not to bother as there was no areas to tile ,thursday no show again ,so I have had to place another fixer there as I got read the riot act by the main contractor ,
Do I sack him ? he still hasnt grouted his work and has creamed the areas and has left out his skirting ,trim and cuts to the work tops, the other lads have made it clear that they think he is a greedy so and so and not a team player and are getting fed up with his attitude ,I am not placing him on another job and wont be paying him until he has completed the rooms he has started, what would you do?

 

[DHTiling]

Prima donna.. is that with or with out garlic and chilli..:lol:



I would get shot... NON team players cause unrest.

 

[Aston]

id tell him exactly what you expect from him...tell him he's part of a team and he has to adapt or go,,,it doesnt have to get confrontational. just give him the facts of what you dissaprove of, record this too!! either by letter etc. and then inform him he he continues you will have no alternative but to release him..

recap
clear points for him to grasp
agreement from him of how he will progress (recorded)
the bottom line if he carries on the way he is
that way you are fair and you have covered yourself too and him to be fair

ed

 

[Alan.P]

Met the likes before, throw down the BIG easy m2 and let others take the smaller bits n bobs. Get shot, or a warning at first, your call

 

[DHTiling]

There are plenty of fixers gary who would replace him in a shot... If he thinks going behind your back is the way to go then he has NO respect for you IMO.. and that is not a good thing to have with peeps who work for you.


So he is blasting in all the full tiles and leaving the cuts for the others.... sounds like a proper .. I AM ME AND I TILE FAST type of guy..

Your choice but i know what i would do when no trust is there..

 

[doug boardley]

he's robbing you and the other tilers.....

get shot of him imo

 

[White Room]

I would want to have a chat and ask him what the problem is, then go from there.

If he mumbles and kicks a bag of addy, then get rid

 

[suave]

extinguish,think ave spelled it right

 

[mikethetile]

if your not paid then he isnt...........have a quite word and explain how it works

if he wont play ball then replace him

 

[jay]

make him finish his work on his own or else he has to go sounds like a real slacker

 

[Gazzer]

The same as everyone else has said, no matter how many chances you give him, he will still do the same again.
I have seen it many times too, it no good for moral with your other guys either. If you let him get away with it he is actually walking over you and the other guys will lose respect for you.
Get rid

 

[Perry]

Met the likes before, throw down the BIG easy m2 and let others take the smaller bits n bobs. Get shot, or a warning at first, your call

Alan are you refering to me :fuk2:

 

[Gazzer]

Alan are you refering to me :fuk2:

Guilty concience there Pete ??? :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Perry]

get one of the other lads to finish it ask them what they want and take it from his meteridge and send whats left with his cards simple once trouble always trouble

 

[Perry]

Guilty concience there Pete ??? :smilewinkgrin:

he he.........

 

[RockCeramics]

Firstly i,d probally look at his work and pick out any minor fault and get him to replace before he gets paid. " deducting any money for time wasting.
then tell him politely if he isnt prepared to muck in with the rest of the gang and not grab all the cream then you are not prepared to employ him.
With my old company i was site supervisor but we all mucked in and all did our share of the worst jobs. If your not prepared to work as a team then your loyal works will start to feel that "this is wrong and why should i just do those jobs"
"Hold his money back until he has completed all the required small areas.

 

[albyshellshear]

Just tell him straight, I have always been a big beleiver in straight talk it cuts through the B/S and gets to the point, if you dont work with the team you dont work. ....Alby

 

[Peter]

In a squad its important that everybody pulls their weight, he is no different. I would send him down the road, plenty of other tilers slack on work who would gladly do it.

Used to work with a fella like that - he loved banging up the straight metres and left checks, skirting etc for whoever was in behind him. Got a shock one day when he was told not to come back. :lol:

 

[Daveyboy]

You obviously have to get the work finished so I would get another tiler to finish his work and deduct his costs from your prima donna's earning and then I'd deduct your loss of earnings from the remainder and then I'd give him his cheque and bid him goodbye...

 

[merlecollins]

Seen this so many times its frightening:yikes:There's loads of tilers out there with ego's like Robbie Williams:incazzato:They think they're rock stars and treat the real tradesmen like fools:mad2:

If I've heard 'when you going to give us a decent job??' once i've heard it a million times and you usually get that nonsense after they've just slung 30 to 40m2 of full tiles up in a day:incazzato:

I remember having a couple of subbie lads on a school job we had - 6x6 white in changing rooms, probably about 250m2 in each room and there was about 6 areas. Anyway I had a couple of cards in lads that had got finished early on their job and had a week spare before the next one started, so I sent them to this school and put them in their own room away from the subbies If you heard the rubbish I got of these 2 mugs when they saw my lads walking on the job:mad2:'There's not enough here for 4 tilers' and 'we can't make money now..' Needless to say they finished the room they were in and were told that I was sending another 4 'cards in' lads down so there 'definately' wasn't enough for them now:incazzato:

I just can't be doing with that rubbish - just pure greed:incazzato:

I think as neale says, this fella will ALWAYS be the same and I think in todays climate you can do without the hassle Gaz.

Get him to finish what he's started and glide him - if he won't then get one of your other lads to finish it and knock it off what you owe him. But I would pay him straight away as soon as his areas are complete - he'll get the message

 

[The D]

is he a good tiler m8 ?

 

[kilty55]

this lad is showing you and also your other staff no respect yby the way hes carrying on,i would take him aside and highlight what needs to change with immediate effect and also make clear what wont be tolerated in the future,show him the road hell be going down if it continues good luck gary

 

[doug boardley]

is he a good tiler m8 ?

hard to judge imo, if he's jst sticking in field tiles

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

My advice is get rid.:mad2::incazzato:

 

[mikethetile]

is he a good tiler m8 ?

good tiler or not makes no difference

the other lads are earning less if their picking up his cuts or garys waiting for money as his areas are not completed

if he was working for himself he wouldnt be paid till he had done his cuts so why should gary have to wait

 

[diamondtiling]

In the words of Al Capone "I'm gonna drop im like he was a hot po tay ta.

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

a leopard never changes his spots :lol: Bin him mate IMO

 

[Stan001]

You can employ a ‘field tile specialist’ anywhere! And you could tell him that ... but ....

Don’t you give your guys a job spec that captures ‘complete area including grouting trims etc to supplied spec drawing? ... if not then although he is mainly to fault you are at fault also for not providing a clear and specific job / job scope spec. ( ... and this is not criticism as I’ve been there and done that also, so I feel for you – common sense and fair play doesn’t seem to work with some of the trades unfoundedly – its ‘yes yes yes’ when you take them on , then arguing the toss over whose job is who’s later – especially if it goes wrong)
... tack a method statement on so he really gets to understand what part of the job he ‘owns’.

Incidentally, it’s really hard to take the emotion out of these things but you could gain more by turning him around than simply firing him (someone asked here is he a good tiler – it’s a great question) he may be an excellent tiler and some of the guys that do the whole job might not be! I had 20 managers reporting to me at one time, the biggest pita’s were very good at their jobs, it was up to me to get real good at managing them – then those big pita’s might make you 10x more money than the nice guys.

 

[2Balls]

You can employ a ‘field tile specialist’ anywhere! And you could tell him that ... but ....

Don’t you give your guys a job spec that captures ‘complete area including grouting trims etc to supplied spec drawing? ... if not then although he is mainly to fault you are at fault also for not providing a clear and specific job / job scope spec. ( ... and this is not criticism as I’ve been there and done that also, so I feel for you – common sense and fair play doesn’t seem to work with some of the trades unfoundedly – its ‘yes yes yes’ when you take them on , then arguing the toss over whose job is who’s later – especially if it goes wrong)
... tack a method statement on so he really gets to understand what part of the job he ‘owns’.

Hi Gary , In my opinum Stan has said it in a nutshell. As you have found, it has probably hurt your companies productivity. Some jobs i find laying field areas first good, but normally I cut in at the same time and Skirtings and grout ,the next day. The senario can be different from job to job! Try to shape him in to your way of working, as part of a Team.When all fails you should let him go! Sacking someone is never nice ,but a necessity

:8:2Balls

 

[jamie B]

kick his head in.:lol:

 

[Gazzer]

Gary hasnt been back since this thread started ....you dont think the tiler got nasty do you :yikes::yikes::yikes: