1000 x 1000 tiles

[rj1884]

Good afternoon.

Im after a bit of advice with regards to fixing tiles to shower formers and the best way to go about the lay out. I've done a few I but the one I'm due to do are using 1000x1000 porcelain. I know these size tiles aren't ideal for this kind of thing but the customer is adamant. The tray is 900x1400 and is the wedi dec type tray and sits left to right on the left side of the room, if that makes sense. The fall is from the 1400 length to a rectangle gulley towards the back of the tray which is about 400 to 500 in length.
Can anyone kindly advise me on how to approach this scenario please.
I will get some photos and post them.

Many thanks

 

[rj1884]

Not the best photo but hopefully gives you an idea

 

[Old Mod]

Are u saying the linear drain is on the 1400 length of the tray?
Are there any glass screens being used, and where?
If so, do they sit on or off the floor?

 

[rj1884]

Hi

Yes sorry the drain is on the 1400 length pretty much where the piece of wedi is leaning against the wall. The glass screen sits on the floor and runs along the 1400 length as you enter the room from near the door frame.

 

[Old Mod]

Well in a perfect world u would want a joint running along the underside of the screen, which I know u realise, and another joint on the entrance. Schluter do a shower profile which is triangular, this could form the transition between floor and shower deck, thin end at screen then dropping to drain side. Don't know whether Wedi do similar products.
Look at this
http://www.schluter.co.uk/media/553007Prospekt_Kerdi_Line__Duschvergnuegen_GB_0213.pdf
Page 16
Hopefully it'll help.

 

[rj1884]

Cheers mate. I was hoping to get the outer joints where you said. What way would you set out the former from the drain bearing in mind the size of the tiles. Also I'm trying to see a way of doing it so the grout lines run into the rest of the room as per a normal floor but maybe this isn't possible.

 

[White Room]

Hope your've got a big cutter....

 

[Diggy]

Paint the tray the same colour and draw the emvelope on it.
But really , 1m x 1m , wot up with these people lol.

 

[rj1884]

I know it's crazy and when they were delivered the other day my opinion didn't change. I did try to persuade them but they are set on the

 

[rj1884]

Them

 

[Old Mod]

The last Wedi linear I did gave u the option of placing the drain against the wall or 50mm away. I'd place the drain against the wall then u'd only have to envelope it with two cuts, from opposite corners to the drain outer corners. The 400mm cut could be tipped in ever so slightly to create a fall inward, the main tile would take care of the rest. Your two envelope cuts would meet the joints with the rest of the floor.
The shower head is over the drain I assume and not at the 900 end?

 

[rj1884]

Yes the shower head is from the ceiling over the drain. The drain has already been set in before I arrived and sits roughly level with the bottom of the wedi board as it leans against the wall in the photo so doesn't sit right against the wall. I guess it sits roughly 100 mm from the wall

 

[Old Mod]

Surely all u can do then is centre it on your tile and envelope as normal and they'll have to accept the compromise. What else can u do? They should have set the drain along the short end so that it's a one directional fall in to the drain. As it is if u don't envelope it surely u'll have flat spots and it won't drain.

 

[Old Mod]

What are the room dimensions rj?

 

[rj1884]

That's what I was thinking. Run my lines from the 4 corners of the drain to the corners of the tray. Would you with these size tiles centre the drain out of 1 tile. With a quick working out this would leave a cut of around 200mm either side running to the edge of the tray on the 1400 length which would not be ideal for the rest of the room. The 900mm side should be ok, if that makes sense. If not I'll try and do a diagram.

 

[Old Mod]

D'u know the room dimensions rj?

 

[rj1884]

Hi.

It's roughly 3.4m (front to back) and 1.9m (left to right) this includes the shower tray. Sorry it's a bit vague as I'm away at the mo so it's from memory and from the picture.

Many thanks.

 

[Old Mod]

So I reckon this is how I'd deal with this tray.

The first full tile on the right that's half in the shower tray with the dotted line thro it I'd leave in one piece initially. (The triangle piece after u've enveloped it) Then place it in the tray packed up to the drain just to see how high the right side lifts off the level floor. Am I making sense?
If I thought the level was manageable I'd prob lift the 4-5 tiles around it to meet it, as it's only a few tiles. Then u'd have a slight fall outside of the shower entrance too.
If not I'd cut the 300 piece off and use some kind of profile to make the separation between floor and tray. For no other reason than aesthetic's even just a 2-3mm right angle profile rather than a grout joint. To me it then seems intentional as opposed to looking like a floor pieced together.
It's a shame with a bit more thought on their part it could have looked a lot better.
I'm sure others would approach it differently but I think that'd be my plan.

 

[rj1884]

Hi mate. I really do appreciate the drawing it helps a lot. I was thinking about running a grout line through the centre of the tray like you've done with the 700mm cuts either side but just wasn't sure about the 300mm excess which you've explained. From what you're saying, sit the tile to right centre of the drain in place but don't cut the 300mm overhang, see how high that part sits and if it's not to high then leave that tile whole and fit the rest to that with not profile just a normal grout joint. How ever if the levels are not ideal then cut the 300mm excess which in theory is where the tray meets the floor and put a profile in that cut instead of a grout joint.
Sorry if I've just copied what you've put just want to make sure I've got it right in my head.
Again many thanks.

 

[Old Mod]

Yeah that's it rj spot on.

 

[rj1884]

Cheers mate much appreciated. Massive help