Border tiles fixing(one method)

[The D]

Dispersion adhesives shrink when they dry out and if the tile is bedded out it can cause cracking in the grout that will not show for days possibly weeks.

 

[diamondtiling]

ive just rembered that when mixing the grouts up i only used 746mls of water instead of 750mls recommended, the consistency felt so right though. but i proceeded to apply it, now i cant sleep thinking about it and am worried ive affected the integrity of the grout, will go to work tomorrow and rake it all out and re do it.

Good man, nice to see someone taking their work seriously. that would be on my mind as well if I had made such an error, although I dont think I would have.

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Sean fsy]

Tubbed adhesive is ready mixed for amateur tilers, It will never see the inside of my van.

so anyone who uses a tubbed adhesive is a amateur, well im on the phone tomorrow to the likes of mapei, bal sovereign and quoting and linking them to thris thread, by the way mapei is a major sponsor on here and im sure they will be pleased to here what you think of their products.

 

[diamondtiling]

Dispersion adhesives shrink when they dry out and if the tile is bedded out it can cause cracking in the grout that will not show for days possibly weeks.

The man speaks the truth.

 

[doug boardley]

ive just rembered that when mixing the grouts up i only used 746mls of water instead of 750mls recommended, the consistency felt so right though. but i proceeded to apply it, now i cant sleep thinking about it and am worried ive affected the integrity of the grout, will go to work tomorrow and rake it all out and re do it.

:lol: I'm sure you'll sleep fine mate

 

[diamondtiling]

so anyone who uses a tubbed adhesive is a amateur, well im on the phone tomorrow to the likes of mapei, bal sovereign and quoting and linking them to thris thread, by the way mapei is a major sponsor on here and im sure they will be pleased to here what you think of their products.

mapei make excellent adhesives, their bagged varieties are second to none, they also make a tubbed adhesive to suit another buyer, I just choose not to use it or any other tubbed addy because I have seen so many failures.

 

[White Room]

Tubbed addy is a of a maximum 3mm bed when tiles are applied and one surface needs to be absorbant

 

[The D]

so anyone who uses a tubbed adhesive is a amateur, well im on the phone tomorrow to the likes of mapei, bal sovereign and quoting and linking them to thris thread, by the way mapei is a major sponsor on here and im sure they will be pleased to here what you think of their products.

There is a time and place for using dispersion adhesives but there are better products on the market for tiling bathrooms and wet areas now and there is no reason not to use them. You are obviously a competent tiler but we all need to stay on top of the game and produce the best work we can and some times looks are not every thing.

 

[White Room]

These comments may seem critical to yourself sean but this is how we learn, the advise is solid and not meant to insult your work (which is good stuff) take it in and follow it.

Were here to help.

 

[Gazzer]

so anyone who uses a tubbed adhesive is a amateur, well im on the phone tomorrow to the likes of mapei, bal sovereign and quoting and linking them to thris thread, by the way mapei is a major sponsor on here and im sure they will be pleased to here what you think of their products.

They also make fix and grout...would you use that ?
You have also exceeded the depth allowed. fixed a stone border?
Also correct me if i am wrong but bedded out the main tiles ?

So on one hand you quote your statement above but then want to break their rules ?

As others have said, for this job Cementitous adhesive is King although i use Dispersion adhesive when i feel is suitable.

All this fuss over adhesive, is it worth it ?

 

[Peter]

I'd use tubbed adhesive for kitchen splashbacks, usually so that I can get myself a new clean bucket out of it. Don't really think it's the job for bathrooms though.

My reason for this is that I done inside a plastered shower in 8x12 tiles using a well branded (customer supplied) dispersion adhesive. Primed and prepped properly (although no tanking) and thought no more about it. Got a call about 2 years later saying that the tiles had bowed and to come and have a look at it. Pulled a few off, expecting coverage to either be 100% wall or 100% tile. Found that the adhesive itself had broken down, and there was soggy adhesive on both the tile and the wall.

Other reasons for not using it are that I can get a 20kg white flexi bag for the same price, and that it's slippery and slidey and hard to wash off things.

 

[robbbin]

Nice job there mate....... Have to agree with other guys on the addy only use powder its cheaper and a better product once you get above 30*30 you should only use powder they looked a lot larger

 

[Sean fsy]

right to clarify i phoned the tech department up today and explained everything to them about this job, their answer was that the adhesive is more than upto the job and their is no problem fixing with it. the only downside they said was that it might take slightly longer to 'go off'. after all its only a recommendation advice they give in the data sheet. the fact that it will take slightly longer to 'go off' is an advantage in this case which will help if the border needs corrected or some removed off the sheet if they werent sitting right on it. i took some measurements today of the gap between the fixed tile and the plastered wall and it was 3mm, i used a 8mm trowel as i do at a angle which put about 5/6mm depth of addy on the tile. which obviously when twisted and pressed on results in a approx 3mm bed. tile size was 240mmx390mm which is 93.6cm2 compared to a tile 300mmx300mm which is 90cm2 so overall difference in area is 3.6cm2.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Sean - I'am sure that the members who have supplied their views are appreciative of your thread and the 'look' of the completed work.
Although there is an issue with the type of adhesive used on the stone border and tile size, you have certainly done your homework retrospectively with contacting the technical department of Mapei and you can understand why there is a small range for concern.
Well done for the thread!

 

[DHTiling]

Yep... thanks for the pics...very neat work...