Employing staff

[grumpygrouter]

Looks like I upset sibs :lol:

Fair enough I didn't know about an employer being able to claim back pregers pay, so I stand corrected on that score, but it still doesn't change the fact of what I said before, that it would still put some people off hiring women.

I was obviously pleased that my wife got preg pay with our daughter, but she works for the council, so it's only our money anyway that she was being paid but I can fully understand how it can bring a company to it's knees with the current employment laws, and Im not just talking about women and babies here.

Don't know if it was you Fekin or me with my last post! Hopefully she is not offended and takes the post as part of a good debate.

Grumpy

 

[sibs]

Absolutely Grumps and Fekin neither of you upset me at all you are just stating what is and how it is for employers and my comments weren't aimed at you guys. It is all a good healthy debate and I would say please don't hold back from constructive valid opinions because I won't and don't get offended very easily. I like to make constructive points too but all taken in the interests of having a good debate. I was showing the frustration and disbelief I feel as a woman. I had a chat with a good friend of mine this morning who is a Director and she said it came to something when she would rather employ a man than a woman lol because of it and she laid the blame firmly and squarely at Harriet Harmons door for taking things too far one way. She was telling me about things from an employers point of view. I think I mentioned that the government needs to do more to balance things out. This whole situation is gonna get worse I think if something is not done.

 

[MICK the Tiler]

I'm speaking from having been an employee and a employer. IMO Payment in the form of wages ect is compensation for your time effort and service rendered to your employer. If for some reason you cannot provide the service then why should you be compensated. If employers get rebates from the government for maternity leave and are not suppose to be out of pocket (Which is not the case) Then the employee should be able to submit a form stating leave of maturnity and her pay direct debited into her bank account by the government, leaving the employer to get on with the job of running his/her buisness which is stressful enough. Same thing goes for sickies and injury claims. If your sick or injured then you should not expect to be compensated for this by your employer, It;s ridiculous. At the moment I'm an employer so if I get sick or injured who pays me I'll tell Ya who no one does I'm on my own. Why should I fund an employers holiday and give him an extra 17% leave loading on top of that as well, No one funds my holidays but myself, It's called saving for a holiday. Tax is another thing why as an employer should I be an unpaid tax collector witholding my employees tax so it can be paid they have got 2 legs and a heartbeat and are old enough to take care of there own tax matters but OH NO!!! we'll just get the poor git boss to do it for us Poor little darlings that call in sick on monday mornings saying they can't come to work because the dog died or I've got a cold my girfriend has left me or I've got a sore back my head hurts or my car won't start, Why is involving an employee into a buisness with problems atomatically become my problem GIVES ME THE SH**TS Then I have to deal with the fact that someone can't get to mrs jones kitchen splashback or mr holms bathroom renovation and they both shout "WELLL WHEN CAN YOU GET HERE" and I say "I'm not quite sure but what I am sure of is that little Johnny my so called gun tiler is tucked snuggly up in bed staying nice and warm so he recovers from his runny nose and dry cough (Pigs fly he's out at the pub drinking **** at my expense) and I'm sure mrs jones and mr holmes that he will call me in the morning and tell me that he will be in (No he won't he'll want another 2 days of with bloody pay and in the meantime mrs jones and mr holmes have got other tilers to do the work because they could not wait any longer. Then when little Johnny comes back to work bright as a button and says "so where do I go Today Mick" (I could say something here but would be to vulgar for this forum) I have to tell him that I've got no work for you today and have to stand him down (with pay of course what else heaven forbid) then another couple of weeks go by and little johnny makes a few mistakes here and there and starts to cost the company alot of money so i pull him into the office and tell him he is FIRED. 2 weeks go by and a letter arrives in the mail, now I'm being sued for unfair dissmissle and unpaid wages and expenses and the total comes to $30 000 and he has only been with me 12months and the little SH*T thinks I still owe him 30 grand then I have to get myself a solicitor out of my own pocket to fight these ridiculous claims but little johnny gets legal aid and it does not cost him a cent my god this is absolute crap..So who would employ anyone certainly not me I'm glad now It's just me and the radio employee leeches you can stick it where the sun don't shine.

RANT OVER.

 

[Fekin]

wow

Paragraphs would help to read that block a bit better :lol: , but I do agree with where your coming from.

 

[MICK the Tiler]

Excuse the grammer.........Punching away like a MAD MAN:lol:

 

[sibs]

Do you feel better now Mick for getting that off your chest?:lol:

 

[Fekin]

Excuse the grammer.........Punching away like a MAD MAN:lol:

That's prety much the vision I had of you

 

[Gazzer]

wow

Paragraphs would help to read that block a bit better :lol: , but I do agree with where your coming from.

I think he said that in one breath.:lol:

 

[Fekin]

I think he said that in one breath.:lol:

Probably looks summit like this now :shocked:

 

[MICK the Tiler]

Thanks for the lend of you eyes lads Feel much better

I need to PUNCH something these days because....................................................











































There are "NO EMPLOYEES ANYMORE" :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Gazzer]

Probably looks summit like this now :shocked:

Well you know what these Aussies are like :lol:

 

[Highlander]

Well I had one guy working for me and then he tells me he needs paid of as he has problems with his back and surgeon told him to maybe look at giving up his work. So he takes surgeon to his word and quits same day no notice no warning just tells me he is finished and is going to claim from the goverment. Well in one way lot less hassle for me long term sick etc.

Well I was away working in London a couple of days come back to the site I have contract on and guess what !! the **** has made an amazing recovery and has started up on his own even got his ex wife to fund him. I had not priced for the splash backs in the kitchens so the guys that own the site have given him them to do. pee'd off is not the word I was raging. I dont mind guys starting up themselves but not having the balls to say it to my face annoys me. I would have used him for jobs and subbed work to him. Worst thing is I trained him on lots of stuff like natural stone he never used half the tools I have and he is time served.

We cleared the air last week and he is going to do subby work for me as for hiring anyone else I am having serious doubts. They are more hassle than they are worth unless you land lucky and get some decent guys.

Had to laugh though he came up to me and asked if he could borrow one of my wash boys as he cannot get one locally and you can guess my answer. LOL was nice to see him with the sponge and bucket.

Gary

Highlander

 

[Fekin]

You do right Highlaner

 

[bigdaz]

on the flipside of this I've worked for several companies over the years and always given good service. no time off work, lots of overtime, often upaid, always gone the extra mile and yet at the end, when i've wanted something then suddenly amnesia sets in

 

[grumpygrouter]

You are right, of course, BigDaz, there are good and bad on boths sides.

Grumpy