Neil walked?

[The D]

tell the lad he is actually on £500.00 a week but you charge £50.00 per day for the training.

 

[mikethetile]

sorry Dom

when you said you paid him £220 I thought that was before deductions, so you were actually paying him £300 a week which is reasonable for a twenty year old that grafts

well hes blown it now as theres not a lot of jobs about and he will struggle to find something that pays better than that

 

[diamondtiling]

tell the lad he is actually on £500.00 a week but you charge £50.00 per day for the training.

Now I do like that Deano...........

 

[paul flight]

how long would it take to train up a new guy that would not walk.. some times we have to do work for nowt if things go wrong. we never walk . he will do it again belive me find someone that wants to learn the trade and start again . your know after the first week if they want it or are not up to the job . move on mate

 

[The D]

the ting is m8 that these lads do not put any value on the training they are receiving.

 

[TT Tiling]

sorry to hear that , in my book its a bye bye ,been there with a cpl of workers before ,it never lasts long after something like this and the last time it happen to me it cost me 16 houses , sad day , move on ,find someone else

 

[The D]

i will say i don't think you should let him go as you have invested time and money in the boy. it will pay of for both of you if you can come to a compromise. give him a time scale of when he can expect to will receive a pay increase. ie when he can get to and complete a job. or if he is not having it then maybe offer to put him on a m2 price

 

[jay]

theres a female tiler on here looking for work might be worth a try

 

[Pebbs]

Look dont get me started again....im on the co-codamols tonight and they affect me big time! yes it is a work related injury, me and a 110v transformer had a bit of a run in...the transformer won. Deano has a point about the training, they dont appreciate it, and when they pull a stunt on you, its just another kick in the face. I did say one of the biggest no no's was when they walk of site without a word. But thinking about it there is a worse thing....when they dont turn up on site, and the site agent rings you because they are to hung over or drugged up to have the courtesy to let you know... and with that I will start a new thread.

Pebbs

 

[lcjohno]

After reading this whole thread i think you've done the right thing. After working for you for two years he should know you well enough to know that he could approch you for a pay rise or if he wasn't happy speak to you. Dont just walk off site! its childish and he obviously needs to grow up a bit. He will learn from this, he's just learnt the hard way.

Glad you've got a new lad now who seems really keen, hope it stays like that.

 

[Deleted member 9966]

theres a female tiler on here looking for work might be worth a try

don't say that Jay. Dom would never get any work done with a female around him 9 hours a day :dunce:

 

[Dan]

Update. He has gone, his Mum rang me and raged about his new girlfriend always moaning about money etc etc.


Adam (16) starts in the morning at 7.30 sharp and he came to me of his own accord, his bro works for my mate and heard about Neil, Adam was waiting for me at 7.30 this morning to ask for a job, I arrived at 8.30 so he had waited over an hour... he worked like a trooper, and he makes a good brew so he is hired.
Dropped him off at 6pm and he cant wait till tomorrow....watch this space.

Well done Dom.
Show him the ropes matey, I'm sure he'll appreciate being part of the new projects you have going 😉

 

[diamondtiling]

Adam worked like a trooper today, he was keen and interested and asked loads of questions and questions and questions and questions..........get the picture?

He will be ok I think.

As for female workers Liz, I have had 2 and they were great.

 

[Ken Bruty]

Great news Dom, glad you're sorted now mate, hope he works out well for you

 

[White Room]

I love to hear when a young lad is so keen

 

[andy-p]

Interesting thread this , and it cast my mind back to when i was learning the trade , i started out working for buttons and did many thankless tasks along the journey but i was keen and and worked hard knowing some day i would reap the benefits , which i do now...

 

[paul flight]

see mate . they are out there .train him up . tell him what happend and you wont stand for that behaviour . good luck

 

[faithhealer]

Everyone knows who the boss is now Dom, good luck with the new lad

 

[Ajax123]

this one seems to me relatively straight forward - although not actually read the whole thread just the starting few posts - seems to me he has made his choice. HE walked out on you - you took him bakc - he walked out again saying he could not afford to work for you for what you were prepared to pay. If you were paying him what he was worth then fine. If he was worth more you would have paid him more. Don't lose any sleep over something which is not your fault.

 

[diamondtiling]

He sent me a text message last night saying that if I dont pay him £120 quid that he is owed then he will smash up the concrete that we laid last week.
I called around this morning with his money and he answered the door with a sheepish look on his face, I handed him two things, £120 and a post it note with the word 'Bridge' wrote on it, he asked "what does the note mean?" I said "its nothing mate, just burn it"
He rang me at 6pm asking for his job back.............nope!!

 

[kilty55]

well rid

 

[mikethetile]

:lol::lol::lol:

nice one Dom

its a shame but the lads a lot to learn about life, if he takes it on board you will have taught him a valuable lesson

having said that he didnt understand the bridge note and asked for his job back, so maybe he hasnt learnt

 

[Fred]

Neil has worked with me for two years then decided he wanted to go into the army, he lasted 9 months and was out. He called me after a week.
He walked off the job today because I dont pay him enough....he comes out with £220 a week, he is 20. I know we work some long days but we also finish early sometimes, I regularly buy him breakfast and let him use the van all the time............cant believe it!

He rang an hour ago and said he wants £350 per week.....I told him to get stuffed, then his Mum rang and said he was upset and he wished he had not walked of the job and could I take him back?

I said no......was I right because I feel as though I am.

:mad2:

My lad is working for 50 notes a day - 250 a week, from full plumbing, tiling, knocking down walls, putting in steels etc. I think you have him, for his age on a good wage, plus he possibley isn't paying tax etc.

My sons mate is 2 years out of his plastering course and walked from a job, 100 notes a day-- tax free, because he thinks he can get 180 a day! I've told the burk I often work for 120 a day, and he has his mum to pay the bills!

They are just greedy, an off-set from the Labour Governmet who gave out too much to people who thought they were owed a living. IMO.

 

[diamondtiling]

plus he possibley isn't paying tax etc.


Well said Si but he paid tax.

 

[Fred]

plus he possibley isn't paying tax etc.


Well said Si but he paid tax.

Put it down to an experience my friend, there are more lads out there who want a job and want to learn.

 

[mikethetile]

My lad is working for 50 notes a day - 250 a week, from full plumbing, tiling, knocking down walls, putting in steels etc. I think you have him, for his age on a good wage, plus he possibley isn't paying tax etc.

My sons mate is 2 years out of his plastering course and walked from a job, 100 notes a day-- tax free, because he thinks he can get 180 a day! I've told the burk I often work for 120 a day, and he has his mum to pay the bills!

They are just greedy, an off-set from the Labour Governmet who gave out too much to people who thought they were owed a living. IMO.

I remember being berated by family for charging too much for my weekend private jobs when I was that age

thats what a proper painter charges...........I am a proper painter and have the papers to prove it

thats what a business charges..............thats right. why should I charge less

you did it over a weekend................yes. even more reason to charge the going rate

your too young to charge that rate............I did it unsupervised and completed on time, I also did a good job. whats age got to do with it


who was right me or them, if I had listened to them I would have had nothing all my life

its not youngsters charging a decent rate for their labour thats the problem, its the attitude in this country that tradesmen are overpaid

this is worse from instituitionalised proffessionals who retire early on fat pensions after a carreer in which they are protected in employment and never need worry about next weeks work as its always there

if youngsters believe they are worth 180 a day and demand it then good for them , why should they work for peanuts, someone has tought them the value of their labour

 

[Fred]

I remember being berated by family for charging too much for my weekend private jobs when I was that age

thats what a proper painter charges...........I am a proper painter and have the papers to prove it

thats what a business charges..............thats right. why should I charge less

you did it over a weekend................yes. even more reason to charge the going rate

your too young to charge that rate............I did it unsupervised and completed on time, I also did a good job. whats age got to do with it


who was right me or them, if I had listened to them I would have had nothing all my life

its not youngsters charging a decent rate for their labour thats the problem, its the attitude in this country that tradesmen are overpaid

this is worse from instituitionalised proffessionals who retire early on fat pensions after a carreer in which they are protected in employment and never need worry about next weeks work as its always there

if youngsters believe they are worth 180 a day and demand it then good for them , why should they work for peanuts, someone has tought them the value of their labour

I understand your comments. BUT , in South West London, and beleieve me its true, there are friends of mine with a wealth of experience WHO can't get even 120 a day, so, if a 19 year old turns up on your door step asking for 180 a day, plus all the non-UK members who do it for 60 notes a day, are these lads really going to get 180 a day, get feel.

We are most likely are going to go into a further dip. One builder I work for, and he gets crate loads of extentions in my area, only pays 110 a day, AND thats to blokes who have been in the game ages.

At the end of the day, I am right, as my lads mate has no work!

 

[mikethetile]

thats the problem in this country, tradesmen are undervalued

proffesionals can charge 100 an hour and nothings thought of it, head teachers on 1000 plus a week, their work is not harder or more valuable to society than a tradesmans

tradesmen carry the risk of not being paid, give credit to their client, suffer retentions on their payments, give the best years of their lives and then have to buy their own pensions, carry insurence and ddeal with their own ni and tax, they work themselves out of work and then have to find the next job

young lads who refuse to accept exploitation have their heads screwed on and are the future of this country

I earn more now and work less than I ever have, I have the respect of my clients and never have poblems with them, I refuse to work cheap and why should I

the money and work is there for those that want it